Things are heating up in the Donbass

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Mosinitis said:
According to Kiev junta, Russian forces began their offensive on Kharkov.
Kharkov is the second largest city in Ukraine, culturaly and geographically close to Russia.
Russian military is silent about this for obvious reasons.
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It's probably happening because there are rumors and talk of lots of civilians in that area moving or fleeing.

It's probably pretty likely the Russians will encircle and cut off Kharkov. I highly doubt that they will do a direct assault on the city itself it wouldn't make sense. Just do 2 pincer movements to cut it off and encircle it, wait it out for a period of time and tell them to surrender or fight to the death.

Kharkov is not bastogne. It won't hold out indefinitely. Patton isn't on his way.
 
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Tactical nukes wont be used by the Russians because they dont need to use them . Unless they have to fight NATO in some way. Ive heard talk about a No fly zone again. But thats pretty much the same as a declaration of war, so I think its just talk .

From what Im seeing, the Ukrainians are in a lot of trouble. If that Northern front can cut off and bypass Kharkov and continue to drive south behind the Uki front ,the Russians will be able to cut off or threaten to encircle huge parts of the front, forcing the Ukrainians back hundreds of miles or be encircled .

Judging by Zelensky's previous work I would say hes going to let them be encircled .I can see the Ukrainians, breaking and running back all the way to the Dnipro river if they cant stop them . the whole front will break.

Another wildcard is the Poles, theres talk about them entering Ukraine and annexing parts of it , I dont know what or how the Russians would respond , but it wouldnt be a NATO move, it would be independent of NATO . Not sure if the Poles are that stupid , but it probably wont end well
 
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I think Ukraine might be on the verge of having their front lines collapse and if that happens it will open a new dangerous time as NATO might panic and get over zealous to support Ukraine to try and bolster them.
 
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You keep using the word facism.

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism.

It is not a synonym for totalitarianism, or imperialism, or any of a dozen other isms.

By any measure, a lot of military bases all over the place is certainly not a measure of facism.
 
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It's Imperialism. We enslave the world for its own good - mentality. When it fails we blame the people of these countries for not fighting hard enough.
 
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spat said:
You keep using the word facism.

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism.

It is not a synonym for totalitarianism, or imperialism, or any of a dozen other isms.

By any measure, a lot of military bases all over the place is certainly not a measure of facism.
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Your splitting hairs . There are different types of socialism, totalitarianism, imperialism, capitalism, and fascism. Just because it may not fall into your strict definition of the word doesn't make it wrong. Loosley speaking, the United states represents its corporate interests globally . it places the intrests of the corporations above the interests of its own people and people abroad . Albeit, It may not be national socialism in its purest form , but its values merge. The number of US bases globally is not intended for the protection of the US border. Its purpose is to serve the interests of international bankers and corporations who pay good money for such influence .US foreign policy is not driven by the needs of the people , Its driven by Wall st. We would not have de -industrilaized the entire country for the good of the American people , It was the good of those to stand to make great fortunes at the expense of the American public.
 
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The number of US bases globally is not intended for the protection of the US border. Its purpose is to serve the interests of international bankers and corporations who pay good money for such influence .US foreign policy is not driven by the needs of the people , Its driven by Wall st. We would not have de -industrilaized the entire country for the good of the American people , It was the good of those to stand to make great fortunes at the expense of the American public.
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There's a lot of truth here. Every global reserve currency exerts a disproportionate amount of global military control to control shipping and commerce as well.

Remember when the little island of Great Britain had the world's largest navy and an empire that the sun never set on? Well there was a reason the GBP was the dominant currency. They fought to keep it as such.

We are doing exactly the same but worse. We are hitting CTRL+P and letting it ride. We control the oil trade and smash anyone who gets out of line. We keep the Petro dollar alive by any means necessary.

The point you made about off shoring all our cheap shit and production was great for profits and the 1% but all we have to show for it is a bunch of cheap shit that breaks way too fast and no ability to produce anything of critical importance in any meaningful volumes or at competitive pricing. Our supply chains are so fucked if we have to spool up for increased war production. We didn't do the American workers or middle class any favors either.
 
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spat said:
You keep using the word facism.

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism.

It is not a synonym for totalitarianism, or imperialism, or any of a dozen other isms.

By any measure, a lot of military bases all over the place is certainly not a measure of facism.
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Perhaps not but I do wonder why we have so many bases around the world. World war 2 and the cold war are over. We neither need to be nor can we afford to be the world's policeman.

There is a serious disconnect in this country on this topic. My guess is that 99.9% of the citizens are clueless regarding the extent of our military presence around the world and it's associated cost. The ruling elites (in both parties) prefer it that way so they don't have to explain or defend the policy. It's way past time for an honest debate about it.
 
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holdover said:
Your splitting hairs . There are different types of socialism, totalitarianism, imperialism, capitalism, and fascism. Just because it may not fall into your strict definition of the word doesn't make it wrong. Loosley speaking, the United states represents its corporate interests globally . it places the intrests of the corporations above the interests of its own people and people abroad . Albeit, It may not be national socialism in its purest form , but its values merge. The number of US bases globally is not intended for the protection of the US border. Its purpose is to serve the interests of international bankers and corporations who pay good money for such influence .US foreign policy is not driven by the needs of the people , Its driven by Wall st. We would not have de -industrilaized the entire country for the good of the American people , It was the good of those to stand to make great fortunes at the expense of the American public.
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In facism the corporations are subservient to the government and effectively become agents of the government.

That is not what we have here, we have the opposite, where the government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporations.

It is not splitting hairs to insist that you use the correct words. Calling every totalitarian state facist is like calling every criminal a psychopath.

It is simply not correct and it is lazy and confuses any point you were trying to make.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Perhaps not but I do wonder why we have so many bases around the world. World war 2 and the cold war are over. We neither need to be nor can we afford to be the world's policeman.

There is a serious disconnect in this country on this topic. My guess is that 99.9% of the citizens are clueless regarding the extent of our military presence around the world and it's associated cost. The ruling elites (in both parties) prefer it that way so they don't have to explain or defend the policy. It's way past time for an honest debate about it.
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I'd you think it's expensive maintaining those bases, you should see what it would cost to close them.

The US economy is supported on inflation of the dollar. We essentially tax the entire world when we print new dollars.

They put up with it because of the stability we provide. We are the defacto world's police, but we don't do it for free.

Every country with one of those bases *wants* us there. If we vacated, they'd have to defend themselves.

Don't make the mistake of assuming the last 80 years of peace in the world is the new normal. That is largely the direct result of our military dominance.

If we stop, things will get very bad, very quickly, for everyone.

We have a vested interest in not allowing the world we live in to devolve into a WWIII shithole.
 
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spat said:
In facism the corporations are subservient to the government and effectively become agents of the government.

That is not what we have here, we have the opposite, where the government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporations.
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This right here is splitting hairs. its a merger of state and corporations which is what both of these really are .


It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.-Henry Ford
 
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holdover said:
This right here is splitting hairs. its a merger of state and corporations which is what both of these really are .


It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.-Henry Ford
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Every totalitarian government is a merger of corporations and government.

Calling what we have facism is like calling every carbonated beverage coke.
 
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Que "The Ghost of Kharkov", ....And the Tik-Tok dance routines!!!!

Let's see some good Aye-eye!

Should be good for another couple of $billion.

Roughly six months til US elections, add another 2 2/3 months til new terms of office.
 
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spat said:
You keep using the word facism.

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism.

It is not a synonym for totalitarianism, or imperialism, or any of a dozen other isms.

By any measure, a lot of military bases all over the place is certainly not a measure of facism.
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"Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism."

^^^^ With a capitalist veneer!

Pretty sure like stated if China had all those bases across the World you would certainly have a different take. Explain to me how else does a One World Government happen? This is what the agenda is.
 
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spat said:
Every totalitarian government is a merger of corporations and government.

Calling what we have facism is like calling every carbonated beverage coke.
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Right. Because our government listens to the people:rolleyes: Its just a different form of fascism, that's all. Wall st pushes our foreign and domestic policy. They own all the players. the press, the DOJ, the White house . We dont have a dictator , We have a shadow government . We have an American version of soft fascism. You seriously think We are in Ukraine to help the Ukrainians? Americans? or greater interests, come on ,You probably still believe in elections too,lol.
 
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According to former CIA officer, Larry Johnson, Next tuesday , Zelenskys term is up. which makes him an illegitimate leader

The whole issue is going to be moved and in fact uh a week from tomorrow on Tuesday
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uh Zelinsky's term he is up. just because he didn't hold an election doesn't mean

that he therefore gets to stay on in power and be considered legitimate at that point the Russians will consider

him illegitimate and he will then become a legitimate Target of War as far as

Russia is concerned up to this point Russia has not it is sort of abided by the concept we don't think one St should

be out murdering killing assassinating the leaders of other states uh they've

held to that next Tuesday that goes away as far as for zalinski and you know he

his days are numbered now how dumb not to um not to have had elections how dumb


Watch this podcast. this guy has been accurate from the start

 
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Blinky should team up with Al Sharpton. Al used to do a pretty mean James Brown imitation. Blinky and Al could be like the new Blues Brothers.
 
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Defilade said:
"Facism is a very particular form of totalitarian socialism."

^^^^ With a capitalist veneer!

Pretty sure like stated if China had all those bases across the World you would certainly have a different take. Explain to me how else does a One World Government happen? This is what the agenda is.
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China isn't facist. Neither is North Korea.

They have a brutal totalitarian government, but it isn't organized in a facist sense.

Facism has zero to do with the level of global influence you have.

You can have a small shithole country that nobody gives a fuck about that's facist. And you can be a globe spanning oppressive dictatorial regime that isn't.

Stalinist Russia wasn't facist. Even if they conquered the whole world they wouldn't be.

The British Empire was brutal and today are responsible for more "independence day" holidays than everyone else put together x10. But they were never facist.
 
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holdover said:
Right. Because our government listens to the people:rolleyes: Its just a different form of fascism, that's all. Wall st pushes our foreign and domestic policy. They own all the players. the press, the DOJ, the White house . We dont have a dictator , We have a shadow government . We have an American version of soft fascism. You seriously think We are in Ukraine to help the Ukrainians? Americans? or greater interests, come on ,You probably still believe in elections too,lol.
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What do you think the word facism means ?
 
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spat said:
What do you think the word facism means ?
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“Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini



Fascism is a political system that emphasizes autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition. It is characterized by:
  • Forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism
  • Regimenting all industry and commerce
  • Emphasizing aggressive nationalism and often racism
In ancient times, fasces were a Roman symbol of power and authority, a bundle of wooden rods and an axe bound together by leather thongs. Fasces represented that a man held imperium, or executive authority


“Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini (actually first written by Giovanni Gentile)

“Corporations are the opposite of good citizens. They bribe politicians to write laws that cheat society on a mammoth scale, most significantly by allowing them to avoid paying many of the very real costs incurred in conducting their businesses.“ Such very real costs ”include the social and environmental costs of destruction of valuable resources, pollution, the burdens on society of workers who become injured or ill and receive little or no health care, the indirect funding received when companies are permitted to market hazardous products, dump wastes into oceans and rivers, pay employees less than a living wage, provide substandard working conditions, and extract natural resources from public lands at less than market prices. Furthermore, most corporations are dependent on public subsidies, exemptions, massive advertising and lobbying campaigns, and complex transportation and communications systems that are underwritten by taxpayers; their executives receive inflated salaries, perks, and “golden retirement parachutes” which are written off as tax deductions.” - John Perkins, author of “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man”

There are two governments in the United States today. One is visible. The other is invisible. The first is the government that citizens read about in their newspapers and children study about in their civics books. The second is the interlocking, hidden machinery that carries out the policies of the United States in the Cold War. This second, invisible government gathers intelligence, conducts espionage and plans and executes secret operations all over the globe.” “The Invisible Government…although the CIA is at its heart…even encompasses business firms and institutions that are seemingly private.” – David Wise and Thomas B. Ross, co-authors of “The Invisible Government”

“If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been “taken”. Once you give a charlatan (or a corporation) power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan, author of “The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark”

“Corporate-controlled ‘science’ is not really science but a smokescreen to pave the way for products that may be harmful or addictive - but what do they care as long as they profit? There are many great scientists but there are also many who are willing to be ‘hired’ to ‘prove’ that something is safe, effective, or doesn't cause cancer. You cannot trust the EPA, the FDA, the CDC or Big Pharma/Big Vaccine-connected corporate ‘science’.”

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