NYSRPA v. Bruen, NY 2A Case Supreme Court case and decision

According to the CDC data for 2020, nearly 5x more people died from overdose than from firearms, yet we have needle exchange programs and people shooting up in public parks in NYC and the police ignore it. Add to that, bail reform and criminals running wild on the streets.

There must be something in the NYC water supply that makes people vote for these people.

Newguyhere said:

According to the CDC data for 2020, nearly 5x more people died from overdose than from firearms, yet we have needle exchange programs and people shooting up in public parks in NYC and the police ignore it. Add to that, bail reform and criminals running wild on the streets.

There must be something in the NYC water supply that makes people vote for these people.

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If there is something in the water, you can damn well bet that the people being voted for are the ones that put it there in the first place.

NYCGuy said:

I took my first boating course the other day on a 22 ft center cosole. I could not believe they allow people to purchase boats a drive them amongst other capable boaters, without any type of training/testing required. I was shocked at how hard it was to even get the boat into a slip or dock it. It takes great finesse!

Reminded me of the first time I shot a pistol, couldn’t get shots on target at 7 yards.

As far as I am concerned the only two part test that should be used is that of NICS and can you put shots on target at 7 yards? If you can’t put shots on target you can’t have a gun, forget all the good moral character garbage, that’s the only test they should be concerned with.

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I am sorry to hear you are so incompetent with regards to not only boating, but shooting as well.
The first time I put a boat in the water it was quite easy. Pulling away from the dock I didn't even scrape the hull, and moving among other boaters was no different than driving down the road.
You CAN drive down the road, right?
Bringing the boat back into the dock and onto the trailer was similarly easy.

With regard to shooting: the first time I shot a pistol I had no difficulty getting 10 rounds in an 8x10 target at 50 feet. This was a full size 9mm, and I had never shot a pistol before. It didn't take long before I was hitting bullseyes.

While I believe it is in someone's best interests to practice and become proficient with their firearm that ABSOLUTELY is not a requirement for owning and carrying. Sometimes even just showing a gun can save a life.

in addition, you CANNOT legally touch a pistol in NY unless you have a permit. And if you can't practice, how do you get the permit to be able to practice to get good enough to get the permit?

Criticalt said:

It was clearly mentioned that states will still be allowed to restrict carry in "sensitive areas" and they can require training and they can strengthen their background checks.

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Correct, but again the sensitive places comment was not a blanket comment since the justice provided a few places that were sensitive back then. That to me indicates they can’t just add every place they want to as a sensitive area and restrict our rights through that. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I understand it.

Grimscale said:

I am sorry to hear you are so incompetent with regards to not only boating, but shooting as well.
The first time I put a boat in the water it was quite easy. Pulling away from the dock I didn't even scrape the hull, and moving among other boaters was no different than driving down the road.
You CAN drive down the road, right?
Bringing the boat back into the dock and onto the trailer was similarly easy.

With regard to shooting: the first time I shot a pistol I had no difficulty getting 10 rounds in an 8x10 target at 50 feet. This was a full size 9mm, and I had never shot a pistol before. It didn't take long before I was hitting bullseyes.

While I believe it is in someone's best interests to practice and become proficient with their firearm that ABSOLUTELY is not a requirement for owning and carrying. Sometimes even just showing a gun can save a life.

in addition, you CANNOT legally touch a pistol in NY unless you have a permit. And if you can't practice, how do you get the permit to be able to practice to get good enough to get the permit?

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I was going to berate him for the same lol.
My first experience with a boat I was 21. Bought my first boat. 17' 150hp stern drive. First ever backing into the launch at Ithaca on Cayuga. First time backing out into boat traffic, first time piloting around other boats. First time docking and loading. Not a single problem and no experienced boaters screaming at me about what I might have done wrong.

First time shooting a handgun wad when I was 18. Gov issued 1911 my buddies dad owned and used in war. Kept all rounds on target at probably 30'. First handgun I bought on my permit, a wore out gov issued 1911. Took some time and a rebuild of the 1911 before I started consistent hitting bullseye but got there.

Concealed weapons... by legal carriers. You forgot that part, you insipid cunt.

ArmedCorgi said:

Based on that they should rule against any new laws that are not in compliance with the 2A. They have basically been mandated to by the highest court in the country. If they don't, it will surely find its way to a highly sympathetic supreme court.

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That is what will win the case. They weren’t sensitive areas before the SCOTUS ruling

Just for a point of order. Sensitive areas— I had been carrying in sensitive areas for twenty five years without an issue. Why ban me now— I still qualify to the same standards as an active officer.
Why not allow people to carry there if they have demonstrated that they have the ability to do so.—- that’s basically the requirement that they are placing on all permit holders now.

Truebeliever said:

Just for a point of order. Sensitive areas— I had been carrying in sensitive areas for twenty five years without an issue. Why ban me now— I still qualify to the same standards as an active officer.
Why not allow people to carry there if they have demonstrated that they have the ability to do so.—- that’s basically the requirement that they are placing on all permit holders now.

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On that note... Why not just lock criminals up in cages and leave the rest of us alone?

kev74 said:

On that note... Why not just lock criminals up in cages and leave the rest of us alone?

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If they really want to end crime, that's exactly what they should do. Death penalty to rapist, murderers and thieves. And leave us alone.

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maverick52 said:

New York governor: State to limit where guns can be carried

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York will ban people from carrying firearms into many places of business unless the owners put up a sign explicitly saying guns are welcome, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday…

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"The legislation — hurriedly written after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the state’s handgun licensing law — will include provisions that make it harder to apply for a permit to carry a gun"

Told you so! They didn't even wait a week.

I'm afraid it's time for the wife and I to start looking elsewhere for work. It sucks we love our home here.

The supreme court explicitly stated that 2A exists to protect the right to carry in places like public transit. Yet their first objective is to ban carry on public transit.

What I haven't heard is the outrage at a few Legislators and the Governor making all these fiat Laws, yea I get it the democrats have control of all three levers, but wtf! My Representatives (Republican) claim to having received anything or being allowed input. They've gone too far and must be stopped.

Saltwater60 said:

Correct, but again the sensitive places comment was not a blanket comment since the justice provided a few places that were sensitive back then. That to me indicates they can’t just add every place they want to as a sensitive area and restoring our rights through that. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s how I understand it.

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My guess as to new New York State restrictions:

kev74 said:

On that note... Why not just lock criminals up in cages and leave the rest of us alone?

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Because it isn't about stopping crime. It's about controlling people. Silly.

But I thought people on this forum said gun rights groups are silent

Edwardteach72 said:

But I thought people on this forum said gun rights groups are silent

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Okay...gonna have to send them a donation.

Saltwater60 said:

I don’t get the giving business signs the force of law. What if I made a sign that said no one in a green shirt or I’ll have them arrested? I get that’s a little bit ridiculous, but now we’re giving private citizens the option to arrest us for exercising our rights without contact or asking us to leave first?

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Arizona has an interesting approach to that.

Businesses are allowed to forbid guns on their premises, but if they want their signs to have force of law they need to provide secure storage for the guns.

Just slapping a sign on the door isn't sufficient, they need to actively participate in disarming their patrons.

Edwardteach72 said:

But I thought people on this forum said gun rights groups are silent

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FPC, GOA, etc are very different from the NRA and affiliates.

drowhawk said:

I'm afraid it's time for the wife and I to start looking elsewhere for work.

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I think it's time the new york state legislature start looking elsewhere for work. Preferably making license plates.

spat said:

FPC, GOA, etc are very different from the NRA and affiliates.

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Trust me I know. I was being facetious. Lot of people, including many members of this forum, like to muddy the waters by portraying them as the nra and doing nothing

Edwardteach72 said:

But I thought people on this forum said gun rights groups are silent

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Funny... Even from NYSRPA nothing but crickets. I think I saw a Facebook post and a press release.

I'm guessing either NRA, or more likely an anonymous donor with deep pockets, financed this case. Neither NRA or NYSRPA has sent me a single email, letter or anything else trying to fundraise off of this or pat themselves on the back for the victory. Seems weird.

kev74 said:

Funny... Even from NYSRPA nothing but crickets. I think I saw a Facebook post and a press release.

I'm guessing either NRA, or more likely an anonymous donor with deep pockets, financed this case. Neither NRA or NYSRPA has sent me a single email, letter or anything else trying to fundraise off of this or pat themselves on the back for the victory. Seems weird.

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That is odd.. (not being facetious)

kev74 said:

Funny... Even from NYSRPA nothing but crickets. I think I saw a Facebook post and a press release.

I'm guessing either NRA, or more likely an anonymous donor with deep pockets, financed this case. Neither NRA or NYSRPA has sent me a single email, letter or anything else trying to fundraise off of this or pat themselves on the back for the victory. Seems weird.

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Waiting to see what NY passes.

maverick52 said:

New York governor: State to limit where guns can be carried

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York will ban people from carrying firearms into many places of business unless the owners put up a sign explicitly saying guns are welcome, Gov. Kathy Hochul said Wednesday…

www.news10.com

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I don't understand how they can make carrying on private property illegal unless there is signage that says guns are welcome. They have that whole thing backwards. The default is that it is always legal unless otherwise posted.

ArmedCorgi said:

I don't understand how they can make carrying on private property illegal unless there is signage that says guns are welcome. They have that whole thing backwards. The default is that it is always legal unless otherwise posted.

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ArmedCorgi said:

I don't understand how they can make carrying on private property illegal unless there is signage that says guns are welcome. They have that whole thing backwards. The default is that it is always legal unless otherwise posted.

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They will do it like they did covid.

They will extort the business owners into prohibiting it against their will.

Then some idiots will defend that as being the private property rights of the businesses that were forced to do that against their will.

They'll add it as a condition of the business license or something.

"Your normal license requires you to prohibit firearms, bit for an extra $1000/year you can have the enhanced license that allows it, and also adds a bunch of additional onerous requirements".

Then when the business that doesn't really want to prohibit anything sees someone printing, they'll have to call the cops or risk their license.

Then the cops show up and trespass the guy and say to themselves "the owner has a right to post his property" as if it was his choice to do so.

Again and not surprisingly, it will be the legal gun owner or pro gun rights person that will be burdened with another cost. If the small business man will allow firearms in their place, they will have to post a sign saying so? Is this to be taken as no sign - no gun? I’ve seen no gun signs in some shops, and I feel this is the proper method. (Of dealing with this.). Don’t tell me where I can exercise my right, tell me where I can’t

spat said:

FPC, GOA, etc are very different from the NRA and affiliates.

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So....FPC and GOA actually do something to support 2A rights?