Bernie Sanders labor plan

Bring Milton Friedman to mind... "oh, I thought you were trying to dig a canal. Of course, if its jobs you want, give those men spoons."

Yes give cops and fireman all over the country a raise. Most of them make less then $15 ahr.

I prefer Workfare to Welfare, Nobody but the infirmed should be sitting at home.

zzrguy said:

Yes give cops and fireman all over the country a raise. Most of them make less then $15 ahr.

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Really? You sure about that stat?

Because the BLS says the average is $31 for police and $24.97 for firefighters, before OT. This includes all the jail guards working in Okefenokee, Nowhere that bring that average down. And that number does not include the value of pension and post retirement medical, which can be up to 100% of that number in terms of value.

Police and Sheriff's Patrol Officers

Firefighters

From twitter:

"Who better to get America back to work than a guy who was actually fired from a Vermont commune for being too lazy."

Who is John galt?

zzrguy said:

Yes give cops and fireman all over the country a raise. Most of them make less then $15 ahr.

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Please post source!

Additionally, please explain why you feel this is the first course of action that will "fix" things? Why are these two "JOBS" so special? Why not raise the minimum wage even further nationally, that would raise all incomes, generate more tax revenue!?

Lol

"Make-work" jobs are not a benefit to society. Especially, when those salaries are paid for with tax dollars.

This proposal by the communist Sanders is nothing more than FDR's New Deal agency that was known as the Works Progress Administration. One of the government jobs created back then included seven men driving around a district in a car counting caterpillars. That'd be a great use of tax money.

Get it straight once and for all, Liberals: Socialism does...not...work!

If you want to read a good book on FDR's New Deal programs, check out:
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
https://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Raw...&qid=1524670602&sr=1-1&keywords=9781416592372

Here a article for the FDNY.
How much do FDNY employees make?

I should have add EMS worker who are in the city making just over 16 and hour to start you thing Podunk Arkansas is paying better.

Those fringe benefits they are talking about is overtime and vacation. I should have just called them first responder.

Phazer said:

"Make-work" jobs are not a benefit to society. Especially, when those salaries are paid for with tax dollars.

This proposal by the communist Sanders is nothing more than FDR's New Deal agency that was known as the Works Progress Administration. One of the government jobs created back then included seven men driving around a district in a car counting caterpillars. That'd be a great use of tax money.

Get it straight once and for all, Liberals: Socialism does...not...work!

If you want to read a good book on FDR's New Deal programs, check out:
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
https://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Raw...&qid=1524670602&sr=1-1&keywords=9781416592372

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The FDR programs were window dressing, the only men that truly pulled us out of the Great Depression were Mussolini, Hirohito, and Adolf Hitler.

The massive troop mobilization, manufacturing, and foreign spending in America on war materiel, was a massive economic boon, and while there was a temporary post-war hiccup, that domestic manufacturing base created the most successful middle class in the 1950s/1960s that ever existed in this country.

Just ask people from that generation how easy it wsa to get a decent paying job, buy cars, buy homes, with NO NEED for credit cards, then the fat cat globalists in the 1970s started shipping jobs overseas, more in the 1980s, and then by the 1990s it was lights out (especially after NAFTA amd the WTO).

zzrguy said:

Here a article for the FDNY.
How much do FDNY employees make?

I should have add EMS worker who are in the city making just over 16 and hour to start you thing Podunk Arkansas is paying better.

Those fringe benefits they are talking about is overtime and vacation. I should have just called them first responder.

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Stock worker: $31,000
The lowest-paid FDNY employee is a stock worker who makes approximately $31,000 with an hourly rate of about $17, according to an agency spokesman. But there's only a few employees left with that title.
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The problem with Socialism is eventually you will run out of other people's money.

zzrguy said:

Yes give cops and fireman all over the country a raise. Most of them make less then $15 ahr.

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Is that accurate though? Last conversation I overheard, NYPD was making well into the 6 figures mark. Around 150k a head. And the guy wasn’t that senior even.

Unless they were talking their combined income, which I guess is possible.

C3D said:

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Stock worker: $31,000
The lowest-paid FDNY employee is a stock worker who makes approximately $31,000 with an hourly rate of about $17, according to an agency spokesman. But there's only a few employees left with that title.
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So Stockworkers do 40 work week at 17 buck a hour that 680 a week for 52 week 35,360 so let do the really math $31,000÷52÷40=$14.90

Yes there are cops making less then $15 a hour and EMTs making making 1 dollar over minimum wage some don't have healthcare or pension unless they pay 100% of the cost
Top pay EMTs make 47,685÷52÷40=$22.92 a hour that in the biggest and busiest EMS department in the world.

libertysnake said:

Is that accurate though? Last conversation I overheard, NYPD was making well into the 6 figures mark. Around 150k a head. And the guy wasn’t that senior even.

Unless they were talking their combined income, which I guess is possible.

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Thats with the overtime cause it bananas for the last few years.

There are zero cops that make less than $15 an hour.

zzrguy said:

So Stockworkers do 40 work week at 17 buck a hour that 680 a week for 52 week 35,360 so let do the really math $31,000÷52÷40=$14.90

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Your math is flawed. In the government world the workweek is 35 hours. 35 x 17 x 52 = $31000

Bernie wants everyone to work for the government including all busines,utilities,everything no matter what...then you get an 'allowance" from the government.

Bernie needs different medication

I said this on the Facebook regarding this idea... If you want to guarantee a job for everyone tell them to learn a skill or trade and then they will never be jobless.

Trouble is ... Many of these folks that Bernie wants to employ would give about 5 % needed to keep that job. I am sure everyone would be unionized ...

C3D said:

Your math is flawed. In the government world the workweek is 35 hours. 35 x 17 x 52 = $31000

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Sorry but Emergency services run 24 hrs a day that 3 shift of 8hr for EMS and a 9hr day tour and 15hr night tour for fire. Some EMS do 12hr which is nuts cause they run all day and night and the support departments run 24 hrs too.(vehicle repair shops equipment stores there a plumber electrician and carpenter on duty/Call too.)

2008 hours are the minimum hours for a complete work year..251 days

zzrguy said:

Sorry but Emergency services run 24 hrs a day that 3 shift of 8hr for EMS and a 9hr day tour and 15hr night tour for fire. Some EMS do 12hr which is nuts cause they run all day and night and the support departments run 24 hrs too.(vehicle repair shops equipment stores there a plumber electrician and carpenter on duty/Call too.)

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You seem to like to argue with math for some reason?

These nut balls never learn. All you have to do is look at the other countries that have tried this and failed. The only people that get rich are the people running the country. They want everyone to be equal, they just don't tell the people that everyone will be equal and dirt poor.

Tinman said:

These nut balls never learn. All you have to do is look at the other countries that have tried this and failed. The only people that get rich are the people running the country. They want everyone to be equal, they just don't tell the people that everyone will be equal and dirt poor. (except those of us who look out for you)

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Fixed it for you.

C3D said:

You seem to like to argue with math for some reason?

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No I just know that the article is scewd EMS gets hammered don't take me wrong they get paid but not what they should in NYC and the most of the country get a lot less.
Here a list of cops pay. OLD MISS AVAERAGE 33,000 SO what do you think the EMTs make.
That articles not 100% but close.


Bernie is as crazy as a hatter sad part is the youth of this country look at it as they golden highway to happyness.


One day they will start paying their taxes and get a rude awakening.

They allowed big business to outsource all manufacturing to the communists and third world countries screwing their fellow Americans .They allowed the legal and illegal immigration of people from every shithole country in the world keeping the price of labor and other jobs low. The solution to employment problem is to actually bring American manufacturing here. Once upon a time Americans built and exported Refrigerators cars TV s radios Steel, planes , ect. Now we make hamburgers. The only thing we export is weapons .

Not to mentoin the sale of the USA