Washington state bill to ban 'philosophical' vaccine exemptions

Even if you are 100% on board with vaccinations, this kind of, the state is everything, crap cannot stand. this is bullshit!
Robin Salk

Land of the semi-free and home of the snowflake.

Robin said:

Even if you are 100% on board with vaccinations, this kind of, the state is everything, crap cannot stand. this is bullshit!
Robin Salk

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Agreed.

If you're stupid enough to be anti vax, that's your right. Forced vaccinations are immoral.

Not sure how I feel about this one./...

I would tend to agree but the problem in order to achieve heard immunity the people need to vaccinate.
With being a citizen there are many rights and few obligations. I don't see this different than being morally obligated to defend our homes
and our communities.
Isn't that part of what being a good citizen is? This should be almost imposed by the community
w/o gov. being involved. I love the old tribe/village system where things worked great for millions of years.

I agree with you the over reaching is a scary matter ... hummm. this darn thing is so complicated. These anti-vax goons are so disconnected
with reality... like many others.

Most we do not agree with this crazy abortion laws that have been approved recently, that, as we all know, this is nothing but the legalization of murder.
So having these stupid parents put their kids and the community at risk because of their baseless tinfoil ideas is absurd. It stands over
the same moral standards that make these assassination laws (so called abortions) so disturbin that should be illegal just like murder after birth is.
What difference does it make to kill the baby one hr. before or after? It is murder no matter what any libtard law says.

These liberals are so fvcked up at so many levels.

Darth said:

Agreed.

If you're stupid enough to be anti vax, that's your right. Forced vaccinations are immoral.

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The federal government did not create the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for fun, clearly there are a subset of vulnerable populations who are prone to life-destroying neurological problems. Being healthy. vaccinated, then permanently paralyzed and confined to a bed or a wheelchair happens, it is a small percentage, but it happens. So it is not "stupidity."

Better would be for the NIH and big Pharma to work together and attempt a screening process to weed out those who would be adversely affected so that the rest can be vaccinated if they choose without fear.

meketrefe said:

I would tend to agree but the problem in order to achieve heard immunity the people need to vaccinate.
With being a citizen there are many rights and few obligations. I don't see this different than being morally obligated to defend our homes
and our communities.
Isn't that part of what being a good citizen is? This should be almost imposed by the community
w/o gov. being involved. I love the old tribe/village system where things worked great for millions of years.

I agree with you the over reaching is a scary matter ... hummm. this darn thing is so complicated. These anti-vax goons are so disconnected
with reality... like many others.

Most we do not agree with this crazy abortion laws that have been approved recently, that, as we all know, this is nothing but the legalization of murder.
So having these stupid parents put their kids and the community at risk because of their baseless tinfoil ideas is absurd. It stands over
the same moral standards that make these assassination laws (so called abortions) so disturbin that should be illegal just like murder after birth is.
What difference does it make to kill the baby one hr. before or after? It is murder no matter what any libtard law says.

These liberals are so fvcked up at so many levels.

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Back in the day school systems used to take considerable input from parents, especially mothers. There wasn’t federally ingrained standards, just community level input.
A potential solution is returning to that system. If a particular community wants to mandate vaccines, let them. Get the federal and big state government out of the process. I personally am a biomedical scientist, I personally work with antibodies and fully understand the utility of vaccinations, but I also respect your decision to totally reject what I say. You have that right. So I think the best solution is getting the federal govt out of local community decisions, as the founders intended and letting the local population hash things out as they see fit

Burzum said:

The federal government did not create the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for fun,

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Yeah, they kind of did...

Moms Who Vax: The Incredible Hulk Vaccine Side Effect: Or, Understanding VAERS

"Vaccines turned me into the incredible Hulk."

Sounds like fun to me!

But in all honesty, VAERS was created specifically because every nutjob out there against "big Pharma" will actually stoop to such STUPIDITY.

Darth said:

But in all honesty, VAERS was created specifically because every nutjob out there against "big Pharma" will actually stoop to such STUPIDITY.

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You can cherry pick like all day, Jessie Waters can find morons on the street which is always good for a laugh, but the scientific method has a bias for the truth.

The US Government once had a pro-vaccine specialist, Dr. Zimmerman, fighting for Big Pharma-(the tax payers/government defends Big Pharma in the vaccine court, victims bring the cases), until Dr. Zimmerman informed the government that his new evidence clearly shows that in some cases vaccines will trigger an immune response resulting in a chain reaction ending in brain damage, the type of damage observed in autism spectrum disorder, this evidence by Dr. Zimmerman was withheld by the government in the case from 2007, thus the families lost their case, and the ignorant public was able to laugh it up.
How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism

Vaccines are not a conspiracy, but the fact is they will increase the risk of Autism, Guillain Barre, and other neurological syndromes, in a small amount of people, again the adult conversation should be how we can analyze the type of immune system markers that would make a potential vaccine dangerous to an individual patient.

Burzum said:

You can cherry pick like all day, Jessie Waters can find morons on the street which is always good for a laugh, but the scientific method has a bias for the truth.

The US Government once had a pro-vaccine specialist, Dr. Zimmerman, fighting for Big Pharma-(the tax payers/government defends Big Pharma in the vaccine court, victims bring the cases), until Dr. Zimmerman informed the government that his new evidence clearly shows that in some cases vaccines will trigger an immune response resulting in a chain reaction ending in brain damage, the type of damage observed in autism spectrum disorder, this evidence by Dr. Zimmerman was withheld by the government in the case from 2007, thus the families lost their case, and the ignorant public was able to laugh it up.
How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism

Vaccines are not a conspiracy, but the fact is they will increase the risk of Autism, Guillain Barre, and other neurological syndromes, in a small amount of people, again the adult conversation should be how we can analyze the type of immune system markers that would make a potential vaccine dangerous to an individual patient.

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*accuses me of cherry picking*

*cherry picks*



And, no, the "fact" of it isn't. There never had been, to this day,a single instance of a vaccine causing autism.

There have been, unfortunately, millions of cases of a lack of vaccination killing people.

Either way, the government has no right to force you to put or keep something in your body.

For fun:

As I posted elsewhere, people should find out both sides of the coin and make the decision that they feel is right for them regarding the health of their family. The government shouldn't make that decision for me.

Burzum said:

You can cherry pick like all day, Jessie Waters can find morons on the street which is always good for a laugh, but the scientific method has a bias for the truth.

The US Government once had a pro-vaccine specialist, Dr. Zimmerman, fighting for Big Pharma-(the tax payers/government defends Big Pharma in the vaccine court, victims bring the cases), until Dr. Zimmerman informed the government that his new evidence clearly shows that in some cases vaccines will trigger an immune response resulting in a chain reaction ending in brain damage, the type of damage observed in autism spectrum disorder, this evidence by Dr. Zimmerman was withheld by the government in the case from 2007, thus the families lost their case, and the ignorant public was able to laugh it up.
How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism

Vaccines are not a conspiracy, but the fact is they will increase the risk of Autism, Guillain Barre, and other neurological syndromes, in a small amount of people, again the adult conversation should be how we can analyze the type of immune system markers that would make a potential vaccine dangerous to an individual patient.

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The direct Autism link has been debunked. Numerous times. The rate of Autism is the same with vaccinated and non vaccinated. It’s that the shots are given around when Autism symptoms would begin.

There is a possible link of a virus during pregnancy according to my friend and former coworker who’s child deals with it.

But I am still against forced vaccinations.

Truebeliever said:

The direct Autism link has been debunked. Numerous times. The rate of Autism is the same with vaccinated and non vaccinated. It’s that the shots are given around when Autism symptoms would begin.

There is a possible link of a virus during pregnancy according to my friend and former coworker who’s child deals with it.

But I am still against forced vaccinations.

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Wrong, it has not been "debunked," nobody on this forum (except "Dr. Evil") has the academic prowess of Dr. Zimmerman, the article in my link is from The Hill, not some crackpot fake news site, going around spouting that there is "no direct evidence" is like touting "commonsense gun control."

from the article:
“Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion mirrors that of another pro-vaccine medical expert — the late Dr. Bernadine Healy, former director of the National Institutes of Health. And it lines up with what the head of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) Immunization Safety, Dr. Frank DeStefano, told me in 2014. When asked about vaccines triggering autism in certain susceptible children, DeStefano acknowledged it as possible.”

How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism

Darth said:

*accuses me of cherry picking*

*cherry picks*



And, no, the "fact" of it isn't. There never had been, to this day,a single instance of a vaccine causing autism.

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As of the summer of 2018, vaccine compensation paid out to injured parties, since the creation of the vaccine court, has been about $3.93 BILLION, to my original premise a few posts back, for some, vaccines WILL cause serious adverse affects, those are the facts, here is the spreadsheet (not from Alex Jones) but from the US Government's website:
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-aug-2018.pdf

Secondly, from the link in my previous post, as reported by The Hill, which is a real newspaper, with real credentialed journalists, covering what a real prominent medical doctor and former expert witness for the US Government stated on your statement:

"Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite."
How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism


The "opposite," as in Dr. Zimmerman's research shows a link.

Burzum said:

As of the summer of 2018, vaccine compensation paid out to injured parties, since the creation of the vaccine court, has been about $3.93 BILLION, to my original premise a few posts back, for some, vaccines WILL cause serious adverse affects, those are the facts, here is the spreadsheet (not from Alex Jones) but from the US Government's website:
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-aug-2018.pdf

Secondly, from the link in my previous post, as reported by The Hill, which is a real newspaper, with real credentialed journalists, covering what a real prominent medical doctor and former expert witness for the US Government stated on your statement:

"Records show that on June 18, 2007, a DOJ attorney to whom Dr. Zimmerman spoke told the vaccine court: “We know [Dr. Zimmerman’s] views on the issue. ... There is no scientific basis for a connection” between vaccines and autism.

Dr. Zimmerman now calls that “highly misleading” and says he’d told them the opposite."
How a pro-vaccine doctor reopened debate about link to autism


The "opposite," as in Dr. Zimmerman's research shows a link.

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Are you even remotely aware of how injury compensation lawsuits work?

Paid out != proof of anything.

Government shouldn’t force retards to vaccinate, but it should limit our responsibility when their stupidity comes to fruition. Health insurance companies should also refuse to pay for any treatment resulting from an easily precentable disease acquired due to lack of vaccination.

Airborneguy said:

Government shouldn’t force retards to vaccinate, but it should limit our responsibility when their stupidity comes to fruition. Health insurance companies should also refuse to pay for any treatment resulting from an easily precentable disease acquired due to lack of vaccination.

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As long as they also refuse to pay for treatment resulting from easily preventable lifestyle diseases acquired due to people that make poor choices and abuse the shit out of themselves.

Dr. Evil said:

As long as they also refuse to pay for treatment resulting from easily preventable lifestyle diseases acquired due to people that make poor choices and abuse the shit out of themselves.

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Can’t prove that lifestyle caused anything. Marathon runners die of heart attack.

ECU Pirates said:

Can’t prove that lifestyle caused anything. Marathon runners die of heart attack.

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There is a difference between being fit and being healthy.

Dr. Evil said:

There is a difference being being fit and being healthy.

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Still though even though we all know lifestyle can cause heath issues it’s not the only cause. We can prove if someone is vaccinated.

Certain medical conditions can be tied to lifestyle choices, I don’t disagree. But it’s 100% that an unvaccinated person who catches measles got it because they didn’t vaccinate.

ECU Pirates said:

Still though even though we all know lifestyle can cause heath issues it’s not the only cause. We can prove if someone is vaccinated.

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There are also people who are harmed by vaccines. It works both ways. Eating well, getting proper rest, exercise, having a good mental attitude and another few things helps people get well and stay well. My family is living proof as well as those I work with. Sure, there are no guarantees with anything in life. You can though cause your genes to either express or not express themselves based on how you live. Eat like crap, have a sedentary lifestyle and live the way the average person does as far as toxicity and you are setting yourself up for chronic disease. We have more drugs, hospitals, research, charities, etc.. in this country yet have pathetic health statistics. If that was the answer we would be the healthiest country in the world regarding lifestyle illness. I'm not a gambler but I'll put my poker chips on what I mentioned over everything else. As always, YMMV.

Dr. Evil said:

There are also people who are harmed by vaccines. It works both ways. Eating well, getting proper rest, exercise, having a good mental attitude and another few things helps people get well and stay well. My family is living proof as well as those I work with. Sure, there are no guarantees with anything in life. You can though cause your genes to either express or not express themselves based on how you live. Eat like crap, have a sedentary lifestyle and live the way the average person does as far as toxicity and you are setting yourself up for chronic disease. We have more drugs, hospitals, research, charities, etc.. in this country yet have pathetic health statistics. If that was the answer we would be the healthiest country in the world regarding lifestyle illness. I'm not a gambler but I'll put my poker chips on what I mentioned over everything else. As always, YMMV.

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If there was a measles outbreak at your kids school would you still send them there without being vaccinated?

ECU Pirates said:

If there was a measles outbreak at your kids school would you still send them there without being vaccinated?

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They are in school without being vaccinated. They have been raised utilizing different things to help them have normal function and an immune system that can do the job it is supposed to do. If they did get something I would also utilize these approaches to help their body get through things, build immunity and move on. Getting viruses is part of life and part of building immunity. I recently posted a research article correlating having viral infections as a child, measles in the case of the article, to lower incidences of Parkinson's. You see, I don't fear germs like many do. At any given time we have about 10,000 pathogens that live on and in our body. A healthy body isn't harmed by these things and can actually benefit from them. No different than the fear mongering related to guns and gun control so goes the fear mongering related to things like measles. Yes, if my kids grew up with the standard American diet, turned to medication for a cough or the sniffles or ran to the doctor for every little symptom they had, etc.. I probably would be concerned. I don't base health on a lack or presence of symptoms. So in answer to your question, I would help their body be prepared and do things if they did but I wouldn't worry about it. BTW, if there ever is an outbreak, because they aren't vaccinated, they wouldn't be allowed at school. BTW, I appreciate the civil discourse we have going back and forth.

Dr. Evil said:

They are in school without being vaccinated. They have been raised utilizing different things to help them have normal function and an immune system that can do the job it is supposed to do. If they did get something I would also utilize these approaches to help their body get through things, build immunity and move on. Getting viruses is part of life and part of building immunity. I recently posted a research article correlating having viral infections as a child, measles in the case of the article, to lower incidences of Parkinson's. You see, I don't fear germs like many do. At any given time we have about 10,000 pathogens that live on and in our body. A healthy body isn't harmed by these things and can actually benefit from them. No different than the fear mongering related to guns and gun control so goes the fear mongering related to things like measles. Yes, if my kids grew up with the standard American diet, turned to medication for a cough or the sniffles or ran to the doctor for every little symptom they had, etc.. I probably would be concerned. I don't base health on a lack or presence of symptoms. So in answer to your question, I would help their body be prepared and do things if they did but I wouldn't worry about it. BTW, if there ever is an outbreak, because they aren't vaccinated, they wouldn't be allowed at school. BTW, I appreciate the civil discourse we have going back and forth.

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Eating shit food now (pizza) but will be on treadmill later to offset it. Will reply later.

ECU Pirates said:

Eating shit food now (pizza) but will be on treadmill later to offset it. Will reply later.

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90/10 my friend. Enjoy. BTW, the treadmill may offset the calories but not the chemical effect. That's what I meant before by being fit vs. being healthy.

They are okay and are "living proof" because everyone else is vaccinated. If they weren't, they'd be in serious danger.

Willjr75 said:

They are okay and are "living proof" because everyone else is vaccinated. If they weren't, they'd be in serious danger.

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Are you talking about my kids? Respectfully disagree. You really don't have any idea how they have been raised and what we have done with them for over 20 years. Your definition of being okay is not having the disease someone would be vaccinated for. There are so many unexplained or iatrogenic/autoimmune diseases that so many have where they wouldn't even think to look at the vaccine connection because they don't have the illness they were vaccinated for. So I look at my kids as being in better health compared to the average kid their age based on what we have done and how we have done it as well as what they most likely won't have to deal with as they age.

Again, the bottom line to me is choice. I will never try to tell someone they should or they shouldn't vaccinate. Unfortunately many don't look at information for both sides and just go on emotion like they do with guns. I am no more an anti-vaccine nut than I am a gun nut although the left would consider me a gun nut because I believe in the freedom protected under the constitution.

Four things can/will happen with people. #1 - they will only look at the reasons some say they should vaccinate and they will vaccinate. #2 - they will only look at the reasons some say they shouldn't vaccinate and they won't vaccinate. #3 - they will look at both sides and choose to vaccinate. #4 - they will look at both sides and choose not to vaccinate. Obviously we all want what's best for our children. We just don't all agree what that is. I have no issue with that. That's what freedom is about.

This wasn't a decision that my wife and I made on a whim or took lightly. It was based on years of study and understanding as well as application of an understanding of health and how we choose to live. For those that are interested here are just some of the info that many don't contemplate in making such a decision. When all is said and done the bottom line is we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Vaccine File.pdf
Vaccines Cause Chronic Immune System Dysregulation - Myersdetox.com