"No one is coming to take your guns" hahaha

It's not so much his desire to confiscate and prosecute that bothers me. They all says shit like that. THIS is what is truly scary:

“There's something new and different about the surviving Parkland high schoolers’ demands,” he wrote. “They dismiss the moral equivalence we’ve made for far too long regarding the Second Amendment. I've been guilty of it myself, telling constituents and reporters that 'we can protect the Second Amendment and protect lives.’”

This is what tells you what's coming AFTER they get the "assault weapons" they want and kill a few "resisters". This is proof positive that "assault weapons" are only step one. He fully intends for there to be violence. He expects that violence will scare us so that step two is much easier.

Mark my words Mr. Sewell: Step One will be VERY violent, and Step Two will never happen. And you, sir, will not be around for the cessation of hostilities.

“Australia got it right,” Swalwell wrote.

For the one millionth time...
I (we) do not care what Australia does...

This is not Australia.
We are not Australians.

WTF does Australia have to do with anything concerning America?
We do not elect anyone there to represent us and our intrests.

This coming from the same guy that said,

"That any fight over firearms would be “a short one,” because the federal government has an extensive cache of nuclear weapons."

And then went on to say,,, “And it would be a short war my friend.”

In regards to Australia and New Zealand, they did with guns, what the people overall wanted. They do not have the Rights as we do in the United States. I am happy for the people of those Countries if they are happy. Means nothing to us here in the US.

This man, Swalwell, is a very dangerous man. He is not dangerous because he hates guns, all guns; he is dangerous becasue he is a law maker and he has little to no idea what our rules of laws are. He has a very limited understanding of my Constitution. This is was is scary and dangerous.

Hate guns all you want, but learn what our Rights are and incorporate them within your hate and disdain.

Oh, BRING IT ON, MY FRIEND !! I hope he actually runs on that platform. He IS right: it will be a very short war. Once a few squads of military or police are cut down by the residents of any particular area, I suspect that the rest of those empowered to confiscate property will realize that it is open season on THEM and re-think their involvement.

I liked how he said that the right to life was supreme. Exactly what does he think preserves that right to life ???? THE SAME THING THAT PRESERVES MY RIGHT TO LIBERTY, MY RIGHT TO FREEDOM, AND MY FREEDOM FROM TYRANTS ! A GUN !!

If these types of laws were to pass, the majority of Americans would cave nearly over night.

Edwardteach72 said:

Yup. Most of these people talking about going to war with the governor will probably die 5 min into it from a stoke of a heart attack

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Agreed. Also every one of the people proposing this nonsense won’t be the ones putting their neck on the line for it.

Personally, like goperfect frequently says, I wish that they would pass an outright ban so that can face the consequences: extreme violence, very few people willing to enforce it for them, eventual removal office or death and then a return to how it was prior to 1968, meaning worse for them than it even is now in their eyes.

Airborneguy said:

Agreed. Also every one of the people proposing this nonsense won’t be the ones putting their neck on the line for it.

Personally, like goperfect frequently says, I wish that they would pass an outright ban so that can face the consequences: extreme violence, very few people willing to enforce it for them, eventual removal office or death and then a return to how it was prior to 1968, meaning worse for them than it even is now in their eyes.

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Yes, yes and yes. I only know a few in my department that would be on board for any type of door by door gun grab. In every bunch, there will always be a few douche bags.

These types of laws would go nearly unpunished and un-enforced.

The political elite would be the ones facing the music.


Take the SAFE Act as an example, seriously how many have actually been changed with crimes under the provision? (Yes, one is too many). My point, I promise there are thousands and thousands breaking our current laws and very few arrested. If there were to be a full can, I believe it would be about the same.

I await Mr. Swallwell's arrival.

The Liberal Left is loud and very verbal about what they want, their plans, etc.

The Conservative Right, lay low and let things simmer, acting when necessary and needed.

The can preach all they want... But when they come to take them for real, they won't be happy with the reaction, nor will they be able to handle it.

Yeah, this isn't Aus, or GB... There's a reason we broke from the Crown so long ago. If they want that life, it's only a plane ticket away. Democratic Monarchy is a great political system to live under, as long as you enjoy your station in life. And crime is rampant in both countries as well. A better example to use would be Japan, but then the submissive culture would have to be accounted for and here in the U.S., it's citizens are anything but submissive! Well at least for a while yet. Once the (detoxification of masculinity is complete, U.S. society will be full of sissy's, then you could probably just ask, and all the guns will be given up willingly. Lol

Until then... Good luck with that!

GOPerfect said:

In regards to Australia and New Zealand, they did with guns, what the people overall wanted. They do not have the Rights as we do in the United States. I am happy for the people of those Countries if they are happy. Means nothing to us here in the US.

This man, Swalwell, is a very dangerous man. He is not dangerous because he hates guns, all guns; he is dangerous becasue he is a law maker and he has little to no idea what our rules of laws are. He has a very limited understanding of my Constitution. This is was is scary and dangerous.

Hate guns all you want, but learn what our Rights are and incorporate them within your hate and disdain.

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I have to disagree with the part in bold. The RKBA is a universal right, like free speech. Everyone on the planet has it as a birthright. Just because most (maybe all) governments heavily infringe it doesn't mean it does not exist.

Real, natural, rights do not come from a government or a document. They preexist all of that.

Wish they would shit or get off the pot.

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I have to disagree with the part in bold. The RKBA is a universal right, like free speech. Everyone on the planet has it as a birthright. Just because most (maybe all) governments heavily infringe it doesn't mean it does not exist.

Real, natural, rights do not come from a government or a document. They preexist all of that.

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Picking up what you just placed down! Thank you for the correction.

Edwardteach72 said:

There is going to be a handful that will "just following orders" and many that wont.

There will be a few martyrs from the gun owning community but most will eventually be turning their guns over.

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Let me tell you something, the people have power, and if they ever decide to turn, Woe be to anyone wearing a uniform. Ive worked in law enforcement and let me say, they have a very distinct will to live. You have no idea how vulnerable the police are until you've wore a uniform . They are hired to do a job , make a paycheck and go home at night, They are not trained, organized nor willing to go into combat for a check. That's not their job, and they wont do it ,and If things ever got hot , they aren't going to walk into one ambush after another for a paycheck, not gonna happen. No police captain in his right mind would allow his officers to into an hostile area to collect weapons with an hostile force of unknown numbers who have taken out a dozen officers so far. If law enforcement spills the blood of their innocent countryman, its game on. you can either surrender your arms or wait for your turn to be shot or do something about it. people are not going to follow an illegitimate law and some police are not going to enforce it.

You remember what happened at the Bundy ranch stand off?

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Let me tell you something, the people have power, and if they ever decide to turn, Woe be to anyone wearing a uniform. Ive worked in law enforcement and let me say, they have a very distinct will to live. You have no idea how vulnerable the police are until you've wore a uniform . They are hired to do a job , make a paycheck and go home at night, They are not trained, organized nor willing to go into combat for a check. That's not their job, and they wont do it ,and If things ever got hot , they aren't going to walk into one ambush after another for a paycheck, not gonna happen. No police captain in his right mind would allow his officers to into an hostile area to collect weapons with an hostile force of unknown numbers who have taken out a dozen officers so far. If law enforcement spills the blood of their innocent countryman, its game on. you can either surrender your arms or wait for your turn to be shot or do something about it. people are not going to follow an illegitimate law and some police are not going to enforce it.

You remember what happened at the Bundy ranch stand off?

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First off, door-to-door confiscation is far-fetched. It wouldn't happen that way for mass confiscation. They would just legislate it out of existence like here in NY and each person one by one would get caught after doing something stupid like now if they didn't decide to turn them in like the masses did. Eventually those guns that are hidden in backyards, floorboards, walls, and roof insulation by those who stayed out of trouble will be forgotten about until someone else finds them a generation or two later and turns them in or destroys them like all the fully automatic weapons and sawed-off shotguns that people had in the past.

The only door to door confiscation that will happen will be the same confiscation that happens now where at the end of it all, the officers pose in front of the small stash claiming it to be big. One at a time when one person fucks up at a time.

And the Bundy Ranch stand off was an unorganized mob. The government could have made short work of them with a couple of gun trucks or gun ships. They just didn't want to. The situation wasn't serious enough for them to do a mass slaughter to have to answer to. But if the grid was down and there was no internet or cell service and they were about to lose power (as in control) they most certainly would have destroyed that mob in the name of government safety and declared them all terrorists and later reported it in a paper newspaper their way.

Door-to-door confiscation as in starting on 1st Street and ending on 50th street by the police is as far-fetched as a bunch of grey haired, pot-bellied old men fighting the government and winning. Most can't even take the time out to go and vote. Most don't even take the time out to learn to shoot straight. And most don't know any battlefield tactics whatsoever. Standing in an open field in one place like how they used to fight in the old days of the American Revolution and the American Civil War isn't a very good tactic at all.

"You remember what happened at the Bundy ranch stand off?"

Yeah, the FBI murdered one of them.
Robin

Edwardteach72 said:

Except they are.. I know we all have at one point or another had some anti gunner, or even worse fake ass pro 2A person, try and tell us that no one is going to try and take our guns away.

Democratic congressman: Force gun owners to get rid of assault weapons

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Swalwell is spouting Orwellian double-speak. How can you declare that the right to living is pre-eminent, while at the same time saying that the right to defend life is essentially non-existant? The 2nd Amendment IS the right to life!

Robin said:

"You remember what happened at the Bundy ranch stand off?"

Yeah, the FBI murdered one of them.
Robin

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Not that incident, the one after, where a few hundred armed men told the feds to go fuck themselves.

First off, door-to-door confiscation is far-fetched. It wouldn't happen that way for mass confiscation. ""

Do you think Cuomo or Pelosi , Bernie Sanders,or Cortez or the democrats think that it far fetched?
Their Ignorance is dangerous.

""And the Bundy Ranch stand off was an unorganized mob. The government could have made short work of them with a couple of gun trucks or gun ships. They just didn't want to.""

That unorganized mob , embarrassed the federal government , The agents came there with arms , the unorganized mob met them and double dared them to even try it. The point being, they resisted by force of arms . They would have decimated that entire group of officers in the kills zone withen 10 minutes at most.
Just how comfortable do you think those agents were? They could not arrest them and they could not kill them . They were standing there out numbered and out gunned,with their dick in their hands wondering wtf they were going to do. and the politicians sure as shit didn't want a fight on their hands that could blow up into something much larger. And the agents sure as shit didn't want to get killed.

Although They could have called the US military to come in and massacre them after the fact, they didn't want to start a fucking war over it . The point being, they resisted by force of arms ,and won. they stood up for themselves.

and if you think the people are just going to sit back while the government murders its own people , you need to re-read your history books . History is full of examples of resistance when the people have had enough.

If your back is to the wall and you have no other choice you do what you need to do , even the grey headed fat guys .

A great number of the members here constantly claim that 99% of the gun owners in the country will just roll over and let the Government do whatever it wants. An unknown number of them will, I'm sure. However, there are many of us "old, gray haired, fat guys" that ARE willing to stand up. Some of us understand guerilla tactics, and some even know how to hit a target beyond 100 yards. The Government will get more than they bargained for. Not knowing where the next shot will come from, from whom it will be taken, and how big the resistence force is will make being part of that confiscation crew a bad deal.

Swallwell and his ilk would love nothing more than to see something like this proposal th get passed. Even they know it won't be that easy. They are playing the long game while occasionally giving us a glimpse of what victory looks like to them. Every "victory" they win is ALWAYS touted as "A GOOD FIRST STEP" Never a second step, not even close to a race to the finish, but "a good first step". That tells me, there will ALWAYS be another step, that there will NEVER be an end.

To those that constantly whine that nobody is doing anything, I have to ask, Exactly what are YOU doing ? Did you volunteer for a pro gun /pro constitution politician today ? Did you donate to the campaign for one ? Did you decide to run for office yourself ???? Are you donating to the legal campaigns being fought by Pro2A groups ? My guess is that most of you sat behind your keyboard and posted links to something someone else is doing.

Yeah, I know, I just pissed off a bunch of you. I don't care. The truth hurts sometimes. Maybe I'm not 25 anymore. Maybe arthritis and old wounds make walking very far a chore. Maybe I have an extra 15 lbs and gray hair. And, maybe , just maybe, I'm the person that needs to be feared.

holdover said:

First off, door-to-door confiscation is far-fetched. It wouldn't happen that way for mass confiscation. ""

Do you think Cuomo or Pelosi , Bernie Sanders,or Cortez or the democrats think that it far fetched?
Their Ignorance is dangerous.

""And the Bundy Ranch stand off was an unorganized mob. The government could have made short work of them with a couple of gun trucks or gun ships. They just didn't want to.""

That unorganized mob , embarrassed the federal government , The agents came there with arms , the unorganized mob met them and double dared them to even try it. The point being, they resisted by force of arms . They would have decimated that entire group of officers in the kills zone withen 10 minutes at most.
Just how comfortable do you think those agents were? They could not arrest them and they could not kill them . They were standing there out numbered and out gunned,with their dick in their hands wondering wtf they were going to do. and the politicians sure as shit didn't want a fight on their hands that could blow up into something much larger. And the agents sure as shit didn't want to get killed.

Although They could have called the US military to come in and massacre them after the fact, they didn't want to start a fucking war over it . The point being, they resisted by force of arms ,and won. they stood up for themselves.

and if you think the people are just going to sit back while the government murders its own people , you need to re-read your history books . History is full of examples of resistance when the people have had enough.

If your back is to the wall and you have no other choice you do what you need to do , even the grey headed fat guys .

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You aren't serious are you? You are contradicting yourself. You say that officers wouldn't go house to house because they want to go home at night and then you say that pelosi and Cuomo will do just that. Ain't happening.

And as far as that mob goes, it's pretty ignorant to think that they could have taken out the FBI like you said. The FBI has helicopters. They have armored personnel vehicles. They could have been called in. They chose not to. It wasn't serious enough.

And the quote system Holdover. Just highlight what you want to quote and press quote.

Tisto said:

A great number of the members here constantly claim that 99% of the gun owners in the country will just roll over and let the Government do whatever it wants. An unknown number of them will, I'm sure. However, there are many of us "old, gray haired, fat guys" that ARE willing to stand up. Some of us understand guerilla tactics, and some even know how to hit a target beyond 100 yards. The Government will get more than they bargained for. Not knowing where the next shot will come from, from whom it will be taken, and how big the resistence force is will make being part of that confiscation crew a bad deal.

Swallwell and his ilk would love nothing more than to see something like this proposal th get passed. Even they know it won't be that easy. They are playing the long game while occasionally giving us a glimpse of what victory looks like to them. Every "victory" they win is ALWAYS touted as "A GOOD FIRST STEP" Never a second step, not even close to a race to the finish, but "a good first step". That tells me, there will ALWAYS be another step, that there will NEVER be an end.

To those that constantly whine that nobody is doing anything, I have to ask, Exactly what are YOU doing ? Did you volunteer for a pro gun /pro constitution politician today ? Did you donate to the campaign for one ? Did you decide to run for office yourself ???? Are you donating to the legal campaigns being fought by Pro2A groups ? My guess is that most of you sat behind your keyboard and posted links to something someone else is doing.

Yeah, I know, I just pissed off a bunch of you. I don't care. The truth hurts sometimes. Maybe I'm not 25 anymore. Maybe arthritis and old wounds make walking very far a chore. Maybe I have an extra 15 lbs and gray hair. And, maybe , just maybe, I'm the person that needs to be feared.

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What is your plan other than standing up and gathering in an open field to be slaughtered?

I'm not knocking your resolve. I'm just saying that as a group, all those pot belly men don't know what to do. It isn't an insult. It's just truth. They'll just stand there and wait for the slaughter.

They aren't going to use their heads. They aren't going to set up ambush points for responding officers. They aren't going to take out police repeaters and cell towers. They aren't going to preemptively take over Police Stations and Barracks. They aren't going to block points of egress and create diversions elsewhere.

They'll just grab their gun and stand in one place. Sorry. It's the truth. That includes 30 year olds too. That includes myself. If I grabbed a gun to stand with them and suggested to the mob that we should preemptively strike Police Barracks to prevent reinforcements, they would look at me like a loon and just tell me to stand there.

...............and us grey haired skinny guys too!
Robin