How Come No American Made SKS?

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I was thinking last night that if more than one person broke into my house, I'd rather have a pcc or rifle over a shotgun any day.

Then I realize ten round mags suck.

I hate this state. The best option is a 30 round mag.
 
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Willjr75 said:
Something like this but lightweight with ergonomic attachment points that takes 5.56 stripper clips. Ignore the Tapco mag.

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You are telling me that it wouldn't be hot seller in the free states?
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Probably not seeing as you can already do that with an SKS and notice how hoards of people arent turning thier SKS into that?

And ok let's go back to you mentioning new manufactured from big name companies.... if only those companies had like a marketing team and R&D teams and finance teams that could all get together and research if it was worth the investment for 10% of the states (where most of those people do 1 of 3 things... 1) compliant AR or AK options (2) say fuck compliance (3) already own an sks because it was $300)

Nitche gun in an already flooded market that would price it self out existence and probably take whatever company tried it down with them
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Oh wait no I'm sure that's exactly what large companies have done and that's why we see things like the Reformation where the only thing they had to do was change a programming language on their Barrel machine to do straight lands and grooves instead of rifled, and then use all the other components they have on hand so next to nothing cost.
 
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Vapor said:
I was thinking last night that if more than one person broke into my house, I'd rather have a pcc or rifle over a shotgun any day.

Then I realize ten round mags suck.

I hate this state. The best option is a 30 round mag.
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Yup a nice 10.5" AR 15 is choice but fuck the ATF and $200 tax stamp so a pistol AR15 with a 10.5" would be even more choice in free states
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Probably not seeing as you can already do that with an SKS and notice how hoards of people arent turning thier SKS into that?
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Do you skim my posts or do you deliberately ignore why I said SKS as is isn't ideal? I've mentioned the lack of mounting points and weight several times.

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And ok let's go back to you mentioning new manufactured from big name companies....
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Isn't that what that one company is doing? Hell they even said that they are going to be touring New York to sell their ban state products.

Why must this be something that bothers you? Should I keep my opinions to myself?
 
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Do you skim my posts or do you deliberately ignore why I said SKS as is is an ideal? I've mentioned the lack of mounting points and weight several times.
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You say lack of mounting points yet there is a whole industry dedicated to bubba and pretending the sks is an ar15

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Isn't that what that one company is doing? Hell they even said that they are going to be touring New York to sell their ban state products.
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Do you even know what their "ban state pruduct" is? They are an AR15 manufacturer, they try to do as much inhouse manufacturing as possible. They already make Rifle, SBR, and Pistol products. All they did was read the wording in the law and change the barrel from rifled to "not rifled" that cost then probably pennies.

You are talking about a company designing a whole brand new gun from the ground up and or taking an SKS and reverse engineering it. Then after that buy all the tooling required (extremely expensive) to build that on a massive level, train people to make these new guns..


All to market a fixed mag gun to 5 states and try and compete with all the other countless options on the market...

Sorry you arent getting the oh boy good job will you solved our problem with wanting companies to make SKS's (like mentioned before look at the issues companies are having to build a US AK47 clone, they can either do it at a competitive price to Wasr10s and they are complete shit and break Orrrrr they make them to a high quality and it's going to cost way to much money to sell, so what do they do surplus kits)
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
You say lack of mounting points yet there is a whole industry dedicated to bubba and pretending the sks is an ar15
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Yes on the removable dust cover or on a flimsy handguard. You are correct. Damn. I fucked up when I sold my SKS because of it. I wonder if the guy I sold it to would give it back? I could probably drill holes into the receiver so that I could mount an optic. It'll probably make it lighter too. Drilling holes solves everything.
 
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Yes on the removable dust cover or on a flimsy handguard. You are correct. Damn. I fucked up when I sold my SKS because of it. I wonder if the guy I sold it to would give it back? I could probably drill holes into the receiver so that I could mount an optic. It'll probably make it lighter too. Drilling holes solves everything.
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Awe someone is getting a little defensive cause they didnt get the answer they wanted.

Funny you say these magical rifles that for some reason no single manufacturer has thought of (I wonder why) will sell like hot cakes. And yet I havent seen 1 post on here of anyone thinking man if only these existed instead of the countless other options
 
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No wait the ones that do think that probably have already bought an SKS or will buy one if they really cared that much
 
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Hey atleas this time you are taking the blame for selling your SKS instead of going on a huge ass rant blaming other people for something you did
 
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I'm just responding to your posts. No defensiveness here. Read back. You may find a post and like here and there that you said didn't exist.

No single manufacturer has created an SKS type magazine system because people fix magazines that aren't meant to be fixed on rifles that aren't meant to be fixed. But if a complete rifle was sold that way, it would be another matter entirely.

Anyway, I thought I would have a discussion about guns where people can give their ideas. Stupid me. I thought you were over this nonsense. Guess not.

Oh well. See you on the next thread you lose your marbles at. I'm starting to think that what some people say about you may be true.
 
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Willjr75 said:
I'm just responding to your posts. No defensiveness here. Read back. You may find a post and like here and there that you said didn't exist.

No single manufacturer has created an SKS type magazine system because people fix magazines that aren't meant to be fixed on rifles that aren't meant to be fixed. But if a complete rifle was sold that way, it would be another matter entirely.

Anyway, I thought I would have a discussion about guns where people can give their ideas. Stupid me. I thought you were over this nonsense. Guess not.

Oh well. See you on the next thread you lose your marbles at. I'm starting to think that what some people say about you may be true.
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Haha do you think I give a shit what people think about me?

And you were asking why no company is making a new SKS , what part about it's not cost effective dont you understand?
 
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Haha do you think I give a shit what people think about me?

And you were asking why no company is making a new SKS , what part about it's not cost effective dont you understand?
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Yes. You do care. Anyway. Somethings are funny. We've talked about such via PM in regards to shitting on threads. But it gets old. It's way past that point for me.

You either are not at that point yet or you really do care about what people think of you so you get defensive.

I tried this once with you. I gave you a victory for your ego. It didn't seem to work. One simple question afterwards and you went back to your defensiveness or trolling. I don't know which one it is but it is one of them.

I'll try again. You win. If that doesn't work, then it doesn't work. I tried.
 
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Yes. You do care. Anyway. Somethings are funny. We've talked about such via PM in regards to shitting on threads. But it gets old. It's way past that point for me.

You either are not at that point yet or you really do care about what people think of you so you get defensive.

I tried this once with you. I gave you a victory for your ego. It didn't seem to work. One simple question afterwards and you went back to your defensiveness or trolling. I don't know which one it is but it is one of them.

I'll try again. You win. If that doesn't work, then it doesn't work. I tried.
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Yes on the removable dust cover or on a flimsy handguard. You are correct. Damn. I fucked up when I sold my SKS because of it. I wonder if the guy I sold it to would give it back? I could probably drill holes into the receiver so that I could mount an optic. It'll probably make it lighter too. Drilling holes solves everything.
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Ah yes I was the defensive one and the one who got butt hurt or trolling.


Again like I said are you just not hearing what you want? You keep claiming that this gun would sell like hotcakes in 5 whole states? If that's the case why hasn't anyone made it yet if it would be so profitable?

Why hasn't anyone made something like this since 1994. Would have sold like hotcakes in 50 states?
 
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You win Edward. Yes. No one would buy a fully featured rifle with a better fixed magazine system that allows you to clear malfunctions. Nobody would. You are correct.

That's it. You won.
 
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Willjr75 said:
The reason why I liked the SKS was the magazine system. It was fixed but useful. If you wanted to drop the rounds because you were done or you had a malfunction, you just released the trap door unlike an AR fixed mag system. Because it was fixed, you can put a more ergonomic stock on it. You could make it a folder if you wanted. You could add the newest muzzle brake or compensator if you wanted.

A Mini with a Stripper clip guide doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A VZ-58 doesn't solve the fixed mag problem. A Mini or Ares/ Fightlite featureless doesn't solve the long stock problem.

What I want and think would be a hit in banned states is some type of gun that uses an SKS type fixed magazine system. One that could have a folding or adjustable stock. One that could perhaps accept a 5.56 stripper clip since those don't have the rounds fall out of it like the SKS ones do.

I'm asking for a lot I guess. I guess I'll have to tool one myself.
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A big problem with the SKS is the stripper clips.
Different makes all have different preferences as to which clips work well. The different countries all had a slightly different spec for the clips themselves and the guides too so there can be tolerance stacking issues. Yugo clips may be too bulky to fit well in Russian guns, or maybe not, depends of the clips and the specific gun, and the same goes all across the SKS board. Russian clips, pretty much any but Yugo clips are rare and the Yugo ones aren't very common anymore either. The commercial ones have varying specs all over the place even within the same brand. For instance the NcStar ones off Amazon, pretty much for clips that are available and not expensive will be Chinese commercial manufacturer, would not fit in the guide of my '51 Tula unless I took a file to them and hand fitted each one. A Yugo may pr may not work fine with commercial clips it depends. And even assuming you have clips that fit well it is still a cluster fuck trying to get them into the magazine. Usually the rounds bind after you get half in. It is not fast or intuitive at all, it's just too tall a stack for to be smooth, the high amount of taper in the case is probably what is at fault. But then stripper clips as a while are fiddly. The best system I have seen is the 5.56 clips and those are a PITA sometimes too. I don't particularly like stripper clips.
 
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A big problem with the SKS is the stripper clips.
Different makes all have different preferences as to which clips work well. The different countries all had a slightly different spec for the clips themselves and the guides too so there can be tolerance stacking issues. Yugo clips may be too bulky to fit well in Russian guns, or maybe not, depends of the clips and the specific gun, and the same goes all across the SKS board. Russian clips, pretty much any but Yugo clips are rare and the Yugo ones aren't very common anymore either. The commercial ones have varying specs all over the place even within the same brand. For instance the NcStar ones off Amazon, pretty much for clips that are available and not expensive will be Chinese commercial manufacturer, would not fit in the guide of my '51 Tula unless I took a file to them and hand fitted each one. A Yugo may pr may not work fine with commercial clips it depends. And even assuming you have clips that fit well it is still a cluster fuck trying to get them into the magazine. Usually the rounds bind after you get half in. It is not fast or intuitive at all, it's just too tall a stack for to be smooth, the high amount of taper in the case is probably what is at fault. But then stripper clips as a while are fiddly. The best system I have seen is the 5.56 clips and those are a PITA sometimes too. I don't particularly like stripper clips.
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Yep. Every SKS stripper clip I have ever had would lose rounds. Even the so called official Chinese milspec ones.
 
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Off topic thought. What would be grand is a compliant rifle that used enbloc clips like the Garand. For a self defense POU it would be a great option, fast and easy to load/reload, not too hard to deal with malfunctions, rounds stay put in the clip while carrying spares, could probably make a 10 round enbloc.
 
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IrishMick said:
Off topic thought. What would be grand is a compliant rifle that used enbloc clips like the Garand. For a self defense POU it would be a great option, fast and easy to load/reload, not too hard to deal with malfunctions, rounds stay put in the clip while carrying spares, could probably make a 10 round enbloc.
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Again a new manufacture Garand would cost twice as much as even good condition original.
There is a reason firearms manufacturing is increasingly shifting over to polymers.
There are plenty of Garands out there still.
 
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IrishMick said:
Off topic thought. What would be grand is a compliant rifle that used enbloc clips like the Garand. For a self defense POU it would be a great option, fast and easy to load/reload, not too hard to deal with malfunctions, rounds stay put in the clip while carrying spares, could probably make a 10 round enbloc.
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Yes. Something like that can be designed and would work very well.
 
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Again a new manufacture Garand would cost twice as much as even good condition original.
There is a reason firearms manufacturing is increasingly shifting over to polymers.
There are plenty of Garands out there still.
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It'll be cost productive when a ban becomes Federal or more states fall. Mark my words.
 
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Ares/ Fightlite found it productive to retool their machines for their featureless lower. The same can be done for a lower with an SKS type magazine system and an upper that can accept stripper clips.

Troy found it profitable to retool their lower to only accept their upper. It can be done. I don't buy the it'll never be done cuz it isn't profitable argument. It's been done in the past already. Franklin
Armory just retooled their machines to make barrels with straight rifling and are in the process of creating nerf football shaped ammo for that barrel. The even think it necessary to have the money to tour gun shops in NYS to sell their products.

Eventually such a thing will exist. It just hasn't happened yet.
 
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You don't think it would sell like hot cakes in the 6 ban states? I mean it doesn't have to be an exact copy of the SKS. Something like a modified receiver of the SKS on an AR looking type of platform because we all know that looks matter here.
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So...... basically a VZ58 liberty model which was made by CZ. “Assault” rifle type looks but had a fixed 10 round magazine that was stripper clip fed. I always wanted one but unfortunately they have been out of production for a while
 
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That_FNG I didn't even know they existed. I wouldn't mind getting one
 
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You don't think it would sell like hot cakes in the 6 ban states? I mean it doesn't have to be an exact copy of the SKS. Something like a modified receiver of the SKS on an AR looking type of platform because we all know that looks matter here.
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The price you would have to charge to make a profit would ensure they would not "sell like hotcakes".
 
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