U.S. Special Operators Want a Tiny Assault Rifle

Sounds like they want a mk18 with a folding stock.

no such thing as a assault rifle ... its a rifle or pistol , shotgun , musket .. you Special Operations dude's are the assaulter

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Acer-m14 said:

no such thing as a assault rifle ... its a rifle or pistol , shotgun , musket .. you Special Operations dude's are the assaulter

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I mean but there is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



And if the loose translation of "storm rifle" and "assault rifle" doesn't work for you ....

I present.
Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne

Or translation

Assault Rifle of the Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne

Best known as..... FAMAS

livingston said:

U.S. Special Operators Want a Tiny Assault Rifle
On March 9, 2017, U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) posted a request for information regarding a new personal defense weapon (PDW) on FedBizOpps, the federal government’s main contracting website. Any interested company would have to provide information on a kit that uses the standard M4A1 lower receiver as the core of the gun.

The weapon can’t be any longer than 26 inches with the stock extended, only 7.5 inches high and weigh 5.5 pounds or less. With the stock folded or collapsed, SOCOM wants the gun to shrink to no more than 17 inches long and hopefully just a mere 15 inches
U.S. Special Operators Want A Tiny Assault Rifle

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BDinPutnam said:

This article is two years old.

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It's two years old and the winner is the B&T SCW.

It's the first sub gun since the grease gun
US Army Selects B&T for Sub Compact Weapon - Soldier Systems Daily




9mm

OMG its a BOLT ACTION OF WAR .. Glad its not a Assault Rifle ..

Acer-m14 said:

OMG its a BOLT ACTION OF WAR .. Glad its not a Assault Rifle ..

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You would be correct this is not an assault rifle. Literally the only thing that this checks off for what is considered an assault rifle (besides rifling) is its shoulder fired

Edwardteach72 said:

It's two years old and the winner is the B&T SCW.

It's the first sub gun since the grease gun
US Army Selects B&T for Sub Compact Weapon - Soldier Systems Daily

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9mm

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This is just a toy according to some.

I find myself wondering if a cartridge like the 7.5FK wouldn't make an excellent cartridge for ultra compact PDWs? The 300BLK is pretty underwhelming in its ballistics, the 5.56 is heavily compromised in very short barrels, the 9mm is limited in what it can do.
The 7.5 can generate over 800ft-lbs of energy from a 6" barrel. Flat trajectory, relatively compact cartridge, the ability to be set up for excellent penetration or devastating terminal effect. Its spiritual predecessor, the 7.62x25 Tokarev, provided great service in this role.

I think the residents of NY want one too...

Willjr75 said:

This is just a toy according to some.

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If you need something ultra compact then I think some kind of pistol caliber is necessary. Rifle calibers in really short barrels, RSBRs(tm), lose too much of their effect to be worthwhile I think. Plus all that extra blast is not at all conducive to CQB situations.

not sure I really care seems pretty cool but not on my radar

Edwardteach72 said:

I mean but there is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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And if the loose translation of "storm rifle" and "assault rifle" doesn't work for you ....

I present.
Fusil d'Assaut de la Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne

Or translation

Assault Rifle of the Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne

Best known as..... FAMAS
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Manufacturers may refer to certain weapons as "assault" rifles, but that certainly isn't a universal naming convention.

And within Table of Equipment used by a typical combat arms units, there IS NO such thing as an "assault" weapon. There are machineguns, pistols, carbines or rifles (depending on barrel and stock length), mortars, rocket launchers, grenade launchers.

The only weapon that has "assault" in its official designation is the SMAW (Shoulder-Launched Multi-purpose Assault Weapon). If a grunt is foolish enough to lose positive control of his T/E assigned weapon, his SNCO his going stomp his dick...because he lost control of his rifle. No one in the military uses the term "assault" when referring to a weapon. "Assault" is indicative of a tactical task, not a weapon. You can assault any enemy position with any number of weapons.

I want a fully semiautomatic assault weapon.

Upstate43 said:

Manufacturers may refer to certain weapons as "assault" rifles, but that certainly isn't a universal naming convention.

And within Table of Equipment used by a typical combat arms units, there IS NO such thing as an "assault" weapon. There are machineguns, pistols, carbines or rifles (depending on barrel and stock length), mortars, rocket launchers, grenade launchers.

The only weapon that has "assault" in its official designation is the SMAW (Shoulder-Launched Multi-purpose Assault Weapon). If a grunt is foolish enough to lose positive control of his T/E assigned weapon, his SNCO his going stomp his dick...because he lost control of his rifle. No one in the military uses the term "assault" when referring to a weapon. "Assault" is indicative of a tactical task, not a weapon. You can assault any enemy position with any number of weapons.

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Hahaha accept Assault Rifle is a universal thing..

Oh boy look Mr. Upstate 43 knows more than oh idk Larry Vickers or idk Ian Mccollum

I think you should write Gun Jesus a letter and let him know he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about since he has a lot of videos calling specific guns assault rifles

Edwardteach72 said:

Oh boy look Mr. Upstate 43 knows more than oh idk Larry Vickers or idk Ian Mccollum

I think you should write Gun Jesus a letter and let him know he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about since he has a lot of videos calling specific guns assault rifles

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Well maybe I don't know as much as Larry Vickers, but I certainly know how the difference between "accept" and "except." That should count for something.

Edwardteach72 said:

Hahaha accept Assault Rifle is a universal thing..

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Grammar aside, I have to ask: were you actually in the military? If so, what branch? Because during my time in, I never once heard someone say "clean your assault rifle" or "grab your assault weapon from the armory." If you did hear that term thrown around, I'd like to know what type of unit you were in.

Back during WWII, squads did have "assault" sections, which were armed differently from the rest of the squad. You have to remember, back then most troops were still carrying around bolt-action rifles, so those who carried semi or fully auto rifles had a different tactical focus than the rest. Nowadays, every soldier has a semi-auto or select-fire rifle at his disposal....there is no such thing as an "assault" section within a squad. Every modern fireteam is pretty much self-sufficient in terms of small arms firepower. No one in the military uses the term "assault" rifle...it's just a rifle or carbine.

Upstate43 said:

Well maybe I don't know as much as Larry Vickers, but I certainly know how the difference between "accept" and "except." That should count for something.





Grammar aside, I have to ask: were you actually in the military? If so, what branch? Because during my time in, I never once heard someone say "clean your assault rifle" or "grab your assault weapon from the armory." If you did hear that term thrown around, I'd like to know what type of unit you were in.

Back during WWII, squads did have "assault" sections, which were armed differently from the rest of the squad. You have to remember, back then most troops were still carrying around bolt-action rifles, so those who carried semi or fully auto rifles had a different tactical focus than the rest. Nowadays, every soldier has a semi-auto or select-fire rifle at his disposal....there is no such thing as an "assault" section within a squad. Every modern fireteam is pretty much self-sufficient in terms of small arms firepower. No one uses the term "assault" rifle...it's just a rifle or carbine.

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Oh boy my phone auto corrected me and you won the argument.

Except hey look my phone didnt fuck up that time.

Subject matter experts seem to say one thing But upstateboy knows more so please once you hear back from Ian on correcting how stupid he is for calling things assault rifles let us know what he says

Edwardteach72 said:

Oh boy my phone auto corrected me and you won the argument.

Except hey look my phone didnt fuck up that time.

Subject matter experts seem to say one thing But upstateboy knows more so please once you hear back from Ian on correcting how stupid he is for calling things assault rifles let us know what he says

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There was actually a whole other point to my argument, a point which you seem to be ignoring.

Oh God yes yes please tell Ian and Larry that you did a few years in the military and therefore are also a subject matter expert and that they are wrong because you served a few years and thus a weapons expert

Upstate43 said:

There was actually a whole other point to my argument, a point which you seem to be ignoring.

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What's your point you served a few years and never heard the term therefore it's not real eventhough the subject matter experts would say different?

Edwardteach72 said:

What's your point you served a few years and never heard the term therefore it's not real eventhough the subject matter experts would say different?

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Both Vickers and the fellows over Forgetten weapons were talking about historical firearms. Back when bolt-action's were the prevalent type of firearm, semi and full auto rifles were employed in a certain fashion by certain groups within infantry units. There was a tactical distinction between someone carrying a bolt-action rifle and someone carrying a submachine gun.

Nowadays, that distinction doesn't exist. No one uses the term "assault" rifle in modern military parlance. It's not an official term, or at least one that is current use. Again, I have to ask: what military unit did you serve with? Because if you were truly in the military, none of this should be news to you.

Upstate43 said:

Both Vickers and the fellows over Forgetten weapons were talking about historical firearms. Back when bolt-action's were the prevalent type of firearm, semi and full auto rifles were employed in a certain fashion by certain groups within infantry units. There was a tactical distinction between someone carrying a bolt-action rifle and someone carrying a submachine gun.

Nowadays, that distinction doesn't exist. No one uses the term "assault" rifle in modern military parlance. It's not an official term, or at least one that is current use. Again, I have to ask: what military unit did you serve with? Because if you were truly in the military, none of this should be news to you.

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Aaah yes historical firearms....

Doesnt matter what "unit" I served with (I was in the navy fyi) but hey you served as a grunt so you are the weapons expert.

Again please please E-mail both Larry Vickers and Ian Mccollum and let them know that Assault Rifles are not a real thing, and please use your buzz words "assault is an action" and let me know how they respond.

Oh and make sure you let them know you were in the military so they know you know exactly what you are talking about and they need to listen to you

Edwardteach72 said:

Aaah yes historical firearms....

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You are dense as hell....

OEM's may call their weapons whatever the hell they want. NO ONE IN THE MILITARY USES THE TERM ASSAULT RIFLE.

I don't think i can be any more explicit than that.

Why do I get the feeling that you were probably some desk-jockey who probably didn't do jack squat? It's always those types who transition out to become over-compensating, know-it-all, regurgitating experts on all things tactical.

Acer-m14 said:

no such thing as a assault rifle ... its a rifle or pistol , shotgun , musket .. you Special Operations dude's are the assaulter

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The military does have a definition of assault rifle.

The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." ... It must be capable of selective fire.

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Edwardteach72 said:

Doesnt matter what "unit" I served with (I was in the navy fyi) but hey you served as a grunt so you are the weapons expert.

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Yep, suspicion confirmed....

Upstate43 said:

Yep, suspicion confirmed....

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Haha awe so you were a grunt and that makes you a weapons expert. Again make sure to let Larry know that you were a super bad ass almost like him when you tell him he is wrong.

camper4lyfe said:

The military does have a definition of assault rifle.

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Um no they dont @Upstate43 was in the military for a little bit and is the weapons expert and he says they dont so nope whatever you heard from anyone else they are wrong and probably not a military hero like Upstate43 is

@Upstate43 either you need to contact H&K and let them know they are also wrong.

Or you need to get ahold if your super secret squirrel military contacts and let them know that H&K should be ditched because they are stupid and are using fake terms.




***edit*** wait no never mind I have a more plausible answer to this. I bet some libtard like Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein hacked H&K's website and put that scary "assault rifle" term on there to push their agenda...

HK has been compromised we are all dooooooooommmmmed