NICS waiting period just expanded

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But at least the politicians can say they DID SOMETHING about gun control even if does nothing to prevent any actual....crimes involving guns. I understand the NICS is a federal system but I wonder if somehow, someway the number of issues just happens to increase for buyers in this state.
 
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Bustedknees said:
thanks... I thought a social security and a pistol permit number was enough " UNIQUE " for everyone..
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A UPIN allows NICS to keep info from previous approved purchases which is usually destroyed.
That way they can just look into any recent prohibitive issues you may have.
So, its alot less work for them to find you are good to go.
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Yes so currently federal law has it set up that if a NICS comes back and there is a delay instead of approved/denied then the FFL has to wait 3 business days and if in that time the background check calls back saying everything is good to go then they can complete the sale, and if they dont hear anything at all after those 3 days they can complete the sale anyways as if there was an approval.

But Cuomo has decided to extend the 3 days to 30
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The real crap thing is that the feds will stop looking after 3 days anyway.

So, even if you really are a prohibited person, the extra wait accomplishes nothing. If the feds don't figure it out in the first 3 days, 27 days later you can pick it up.

FUAC, harassing gun owners with laws that do nothing to deter criminals since the day he was elected.
 
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Does NICS even *do* anything after the three day period?
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The last time I got delayed I asked the dealer how long it normally took the FBI to finally give him the go ahead.

His answer was that he normally never hears from them again..... unless it results in a denial.

If this is normal procedure then anyone getting delayed can expect to wait the full 30 days. Little hope that the dealer will get a follow-up "proceed" notification before then, if ever.
 
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I forgot to tell about the most interesting part of mt denial adventure.
In November of 2018 I was getting pretty pissed about having my rights denied for almost 3 years. I had already contacted my Senator (Catherine Young)....useless.
I had also contacted a "higher up" at the DOC and 2 people from the FBI. None of them were any help.
So, on a whim I sent an email to President Donald J Trump.
I explained my dilemma with his FBI and ranted a bit about being wrongly denied.
Four days later I got an email back from "Andy" who works for Trump I guess.
He asked for my NTN number and address.
This was about November 15.
I got the letter from the FBI saying I was not prohibited less than a month later.
Im not sure if it was a coincidence or if writing to the president finally worked out well for a citizen.
To be honest, Andy emailed me back in January 2019 to see if things worked out.
That makes me think they pulled some strings.
 
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Criticalt said:
Heres a story that kinda fits this thread.
Ive been buying guns for 40 years.
Ive never had a felony or serious offense. I have had one issue in 47 years of living....a DUI when I was 18. I have not had so much as a parking ticket sinse...not a speeding ticket, nothing in 30 years.
In 2014 I got my pistol permit.
I bought several pistols through 2014 and early 2015 with no problems.
In March of 2015 I went to buy another handgun and wss DENIED.
I asked the FFL what to do now. He said call this number, hire an attorney and good luck.
I thought he was being dramatic.....he was not.
I called the number, gave them the NTN number the FFL gave me. They could not do anything over the phone so I had to write to the FBI NICS to request a reason for the denial. In 5 days I recieved a very basic letter saying something like " your name is similar to a prohibited person."
It also stated that it could be a federal reason or a state reason.
I spent the next TWO FUCKING WEEKS trying to straighten it out with the NYSDOC and FBI. They had me sent my fingerprints to the FBI at my own expense. No problem, I know plenty of cops who roll prints.
I waited another month, then spent $2000 on a lawyer who specializes in 2a.
Getting everything straight between NYS and the FBI is a horrifying and long process.
Anyways, even with the lawyer getting everything straightened out, I still had to wait for the NICS to get to my appeal.
In December of 2018 I got a letter from NICS simply saying, " you are not a prohibited person" and "free to purchase firearms".
No explanation at all whatsoever.
So, from March 2015- December 2018 my rights were removed because of a mistake on the FBIs side.
I wanted more of an explanation and maybe even compensation from the FBI.
My laywer said that would be a very expensive journey, with a very slim chance of success.
This is something that should take a few hours to rectify but it took a few years.
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That sucks. At least you had a few guns before it happened so didn't have to be naked that entire time ;)
 
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tirwin1 said:
But at least the politicians can say they DID SOMETHING about gun control even if does nothing to prevent any actual....crimes involving guns. I understand the NICS is a federal system but I wonder if somehow, someway the number of issues just happens to increase for buyers in this state.
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Tell them that if they insist on "doing something" that instead of harassing gun owners they should find out which neighborhoods near them have the most gun crime and they should go protest the criminals.

Might not reduce gun crime, but it should be good for some entertainment watching some SJWs wander around the hood looking for a soy latte.
 
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spat said:
The real crap thing is that the feds will stop looking after 3 days anyway.

So, even if you really are a prohibited person, the extra wait accomplishes nothing. If the feds don't figure it out in the first 3 days, 27 days later you can pick it up.

FUAC, harassing gun owners with laws that do nothing to deter criminals since the day he was elected.
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This right here.. federal law is 3 days. If they dont find anything by then then the background is over. But nope have to sit around for almost a whole month for nothing
 
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I hate to disappoint everyone that thinks a UPIN is a golden key, ....... but I have one and was just recently denied. Appeal only took a few days but what I did to get the UPIN and then this on top of that was utter lazy governmental bureaucratic bullshit at its absolute finest. I will share my story tomorrow if anyone gives a shit.
 
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REF said:
I hate to disappoint everyone that thinks a UPIN is a golden key, ....... but I have one and was just recently denied. Appeal only took a few days but what I did to get the UPIN and then this on top of that was utter lazy governmental bureaucratic bullshit at its absolute finest. I will share my story tomorrow if anyone gives a shit.
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Start typing.

Half the places I go haven’t heard of a UPIN.

want some fun?

Everyone run their name in the DOCS inmate lookup.

Apparently there are multiple black men in jail with my name.

Get the wrong lazy ass on the other end of the line and you’re delayed.
 
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Doc8404 said:
Start typing.

Half the places I go haven’t heard of a UPIN.

want some fun?

Everyone run their name in the DOCS inmate lookup.

Apparently there are multiple black men in jail with my name.

Get the wrong lazy ass on the other end of the line and you’re delayed.
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What’s your name? Tyrone Biggs?
 
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The emperor of NY didn't just pick the 30 day number out of thin air. The 4473 form, NICS check, is only good for 30 days. So if an FFL gets no answer and you go to pick up your gun he will not be able to give it to you because the 4473 has expired forcing you to fill out and go through another, most likely with the same result. Now you are caught in a "groundhog day", catch 22 situation. It is his way of denying law abiding people their 2A rights. I have contacted the AG of NY explaining this but haven't been given any type of response.
 
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Cattafly said:
The emperor of NY didn't just pick the 30 day number out of thin air. The 4473 form, NICS check, is only good for 30 days. So if an FFL gets no answer and you go to pick up your gun he will not be able to give it to you because the 4473 has expired forcing you to fill out and go through another, most likely with the same result. Now you are caught in a "groundhog day", catch 22 situation. It is his way of denying law abiding people their 2A rights. I have contacted the AG of NY explaining this but haven't been given any type of response.
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Is there anything that prevents you from running the NICS again during the 30 days ?

If you get a delay, wait your 3 days, hear nothing, what's to prevent you from having the FFL run the check again ? If you get a Pass the second time, surely you can take your new purchase home.
 
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Cattafly said:
The emperor of NY didn't just pick the 30 day number out of thin air. The 4473 form, NICS check, is only good for 30 days. So if an FFL gets no answer and you go to pick up your gun he will not be able to give it to you because the 4473 has expired forcing you to fill out and go through another, most likely with the same result. Now you are caught in a "groundhog day", catch 22 situation. It is his way of denying law abiding people their 2A rights. I have contacted the AG of NY explaining this but haven't been given any type of response.
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That will fall on deaf ears..
 
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Cattafly said:
There are many people who never get an answer. They can run the check every 3 days only to get the same result. Like I said, a catch 22 situation.
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Sounds like a great case for a lawsuit that gets NICS thrown out entirely.

The Republicans should institute an "instant check" voter eligibility with the same mechanics used for NICS.

The dems would have an aneurism about how it was suppressing a constitutional right.

The Republicans could point out that if NICS doesn't violate the 2A, then the new check doesn't violate anything either. After all the language protecting the RKBA is much stronger than the language protecting the right to vote.
 
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