Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
just sit on the bed while you work on them .. all comfy and soft ..
shit i put the 340cc ski doo motor on the kitchen table and tore it down and rebuilt it .. come on .. LOL . ( i really did that ) ..
I think I ruined my PC carbine
- Thread starter Depick
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just sit on the bed while you work on them .. all comfy and soft ..
shit i put the 340cc ski doo motor on the kitchen table and tore it down and rebuilt it .. come on .. LOL . ( i really did that ) ..
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
To the OP, like others have said. Perfect example of "it can always be worse". Saltwater could've found out that his Kimber wasn't drop safe.
Good luck with everything Depick. It was a cheap learning lesson.
Depick
.308 Win
Well I woke up to an email from ups today. It contained all the tracking info for a package from Ruger. So it seems Ruger is finished with my pc carbine and so far it hasn’t cost me a cent. The package is supposed to arrive this Friday so I’ll be waiting. I’m curious what was wrong but screw it I'm gonna shoot a bunch of rounds through it this weekend.
Glad to hear!!
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Encouraging! Glad it worked out for you.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Dont fucking clean it this time!!!!
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Shit man. Buy a better holster already.
Fudge yea nice middle of the week news
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
There may be a note detailing what they did included with the brand new rifle they sent you.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If its a brand new rifle, it would have to go through an FFL. It might be a new barrel assembly.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm not so sure about that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Per ATF Q&A
"An ATF Form 4473 is required for the return of the firearm, except
in instances when a firearm is delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or
customizing, and the same firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom
received (27 CFR § 478.124(a))."
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It’ll be a brand new barrel assembly. Not a rifle.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
First off what I said was just an embelishment of Rugers customer service. I don't really expect them to send a replacment rifle if the reciever half is undamaged.
Secondly, what do you make of that excerpt from the ATF? Am I reading that wrong or does that state a replacement rifle can be sent to the owner?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
We also have un-Safe to deal with.
New/ replacement = New serial number = has to go to an FFL
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
These are the ATF regulations:
478.147 Return of firearm.
A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm or a replacement firearm of the same kind and type. See §478.124(a) for requirements of a Form 4473 prior to return. A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm curio or relic to a licensed collector for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed collector may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm curio or relic.
§478.124 Firearms transaction record.
(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
My guess, would be that if a manufacturer decides to replace a rifle for a customer who sent their original in for repair, that the manufacturer has to deal with the paperwork for keeping the original rifle and sending a replacement with new serial number to the customer. So it probably gets recorded that way. Why would one have to go through yet another nics because you sent a gun in for repair and the manufacturer decided to send you a replacement? I would assume manufacturers have some kind of FFL licensing.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
In any case @Depick, I hope they send you the Mlok forend, unless that isn't something you'd want. Either way, I'm sure they took care of you. Let us know how it goes if you end up shooting it this weekend.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
For a rifle?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I thought he only shipped the barrel assembly?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Well, that may be, in which case he would likely only be receiving a new barrel assembly like you suggest, but the overall argument about weather a manufacturer could send you a replacement gun is spelled out in the ATF's own rules and I think I have done a fair enough job of pointing that out.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I never disputed that. You are correct on that point. All I said was that you don’t need it for a barrel assembly.
As others have said if the rifle coming back has a different serial # than the one you sent in it will have to go through an FFL and you will have to do a 4473 on it. I had the same situation when I sent my AR15 back to Daniel Defense for service. They just replaced the whole rifle and I had to do a new 4473 to take possession of it.
If the gun coming back has the same serial # as what you sent you should be able to have it shipped back to your home directly I think.
If the gun coming back has the same serial # as what you sent you should be able to have it shipped back to your home directly I think.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Yes, you are correct, that was never your argument. Sorry @Willjr75. I just got jumped on for asserting that a manufacturer could indeed send you a replacement gun without the end user having to go through another 4473 even though its in black and white via ATF publications. The posting of mine which started all this, was really just an exaggeration of what Ruger might do considering their customer service rep. (which is great). Certain members took it like I was certain Ruger would send a complete replacement rifle.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Are you for real? did you not read what I posted directly from the ATF's website? Certain manufacturers may choose to go through an ffl for their own reasons, but that is not what the law says. I'm fucking done with this conversation. READ THE GOD DAMNED ATF RULES!!!! Or don't but fuck off!!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Here it is again in case you missed it the first time:
These are the ATF regulations:
478.147 Return of firearm.
A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm or a replacement firearm of the same kind and type. See §478.124(a) for requirements of a Form 4473 prior to return. A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm curio or relic to a licensed collector for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed collector may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm curio or relic.
§478.124 Firearms transaction record.
(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.
These are the ATF regulations:
478.147 Return of firearm.
A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm or a replacement firearm of the same kind and type. See §478.124(a) for requirements of a Form 4473 prior to return. A person not otherwise prohibited by Federal, State or local law may ship a firearm curio or relic to a licensed collector for any lawful purpose, and, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, the licensed collector may return in interstate or foreign commerce to that person the firearm curio or relic.
§478.124 Firearms transaction record.
(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.
The last section is a little vague to me.
It says replacement firearm which implies a new serial # but doesn't specifically state that a new rifle with a new serial is yet exempt from a new 4473. How would the dealer account for the firearm in question? Do they have to enter it into their books at any point in this process?
Firearms law is highly inconsistent and frequently contradictory so there is no point in getting so worked up over confusion regarding the subject. In any case regardless of what the letter of the law actually is I very highly doubt an FFL will allow the end user to take possession of a firearm with a serial number for which a 4473 has not been done previously until said form has been done.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
@ArmedCorgi is right