Friend who provided Dayton shooter with 100-round magazine and body armor faces federal charges

Maybe not the best source, but today on NPR I heard them talking about this, and they said that he purchased the 100 round drum and the barreled upper for the shooter, and that he kept them at his house.

As far as I can tell, he technically didn't do anything illegal assuming the above statement is true.

According to the report, he was unaware that his friend was planning the event. The report made no mention of any drug use.

I wasn't there, so I can't say what the truth is. Only putting out there another view.


Now, as far as I'm concerned, the Feds need to sweat this guy until they know everything. If it turns out he performed a straw purchase, that makes him culpable and subject to M 1 charges, amongst others.

@Tisto - he lied on 4473's about illegal drug use.

Who lied ? The shooter, or the friend ? The NPR report said the friend bought and stored the beta mag and the upper receiver. No 4473 for either of those items.

Tisto said:

Who lied ? The shooter, or the friend ? The NPR report said the friend bought and stored the beta mag and the upper receiver. No 4473 for either of those items.

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The friend. Read the article linked at the top of the thread.

BDinPutnam said:

The friend. Read the article linked at the top of the thread.

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He lied on the 4473 about the pistols but nothing he did in regards to giving Betts those items was illegal as I see it, either way he's a dumbass going to the pokey for a bit.

dubleuhb said:

He lied on the 4473 about the pistols but nothing he did in regards to giving Betts those items was illegal as I see it, either way he's a dumbass going to the pokey for a bit.

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Oh, agreed. I think all the reporting I've seen on this anywhere has been shoddy and sensationalist.

Which I suppose is not surprisng.

Ok, so the NPR report said nothing about drug use or any pistols. I guess in their mind, that wasn't germain to the story about the shooter.

He lied on a 4473, admitted drug use, posession, and cultivation of controlled substances. He illegally obtained hendguns, and then was stupid enough to let the feds search his house, thinking he was helping them.

Bye-bye. See you in 15. Maybe you'll be out in 9 with good behavior.

What "drugs" did the framers, founding fathers, use when creating the U.S. ? Where in the constitution is the drug part?
What part does the drug use have to do with The actions of the people involved? What drugs have all the police, lawyers, judges, used ever in their life? Choom gang?
Drug use 4 years before has what to do with the shooting?
Freedom - but you ARE RESPONSIBLE for your actions, that is what the U.S. is about.
I don't care if they were shooting dog shit in to their veins, just so long as it isn't effecting anyone else, that's how this country is supposed to work. Look at what we know the "rulers" do, they don't follow laws; they make laws that keep us under control.

Sounds like the knee jerk reaction of "we need to do something..." at work again.
I know for a fact that the FBI doesn't usually collar people for lying on 4473s. They cherry pick, as they're doing right now.
Who cares that McShitstain did drugs 4 years ago with this dipshit.

complicit mean anything ?

I'm pretty sure at least half of gun owners lie about drug use when filling out the form. No crime was committed in my book. So what if you like to smoke a dooby after work. That doesn't mean you don't have time right to self defense or hunt for meat.

What's next. Beer?

Willjr75 said:

I'm pretty sure at least half of gun owners lie about drug use when filling out the form. No crime was committed in my book. So what if you like to smoke a dooby after work. That doesn't mean you don't have time right to self defense or hunt for meat.

What's next. Beer?

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"Half"?

Mr. terzmo said:

complicit mean anything ?

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Complicit to what?

Aside from falsifying the 4473, did this guy actually engage in a straw purchase? The way I'm reading it, he purchased "parts" of a rifle that he then helped the killer assemble. If those parts include a lower receiver, then he executed a straw purchase.

BDinPutnam said:

"Half"?

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Probably more than half. Who here has used marijuana unlawfully? Who here has taken cough syrup with codeine, OxyContin, or a Percocet after their prescription expired or taken one from their wife's legal supply after an episode of minor back pain?

The person

fresch said:

Complicit to what?

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The person who bought the items used in the shooting is 'complicit" which means he can/will be charged the same as the shooter.

So if you buy an upper today look at it and say nope I'm selling this, you sell it and 4 months later that person kills someone you are complicit in murder?
You sell your truck , bow and arrows, hammer, pencil,?

fresch said:

So if you buy an upper today look at it and say nope I'm selling this, you sell it and 4 months later that person kills someone you are complicit in murder?
You sell your truck , bow and arrows, hammer, pencil,?

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of course...you have it all in perspective

I think the dayten shooter needs to burn in hell. I have zero sympathy for him. I want to make that very clear.

I am very concerned (this reporting has been shoddy at best to incomplete and misleading at worst). If everything is correct that the friend is going to go to jail for buying "parts" that anyone can buy and no background check is needed, then we are officially in slippery slope territory.

This screams of knee jerk reaction "close a loophole".

Coming soon, uppers to also be treated as firearms and body armor to be regulated like firearms.

I am extremely skeptical to where this is going to lead and I don't like it one bit.

BDinPutnam said:

Oh, agreed. I think all the reporting I've seen on this anywhere has been shoddy and sensationalist.

Which I suppose is not surprisng.

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I don't even bother anymore. It will always go the same, regardless of the shooting. It ends a witch hunt of mental illness. "Well he was depressed in the 5th grade" or something, they'll say.

No, he was just an asshole who snapped one day. Shit happens. People don't want to think that, and that's why there is a push to increase the stigma / restrictions around people with even minor mental illness. We want to pretend you can see things coming. We want to pretend we can prevent all tragedy. We can't -- that's the price we pay for being free.

It's just a shitty situation. I wish someone had shot and killed the shooter sooner and saved more lives. End of story.

Don't talk to police without a lawyer. Dumbass incriminated himself.

libertysnake said:

I don't even bother anymore. It will always go the same, regardless of the shooting. It ends a witch hunt of mental illness. "Well he was depressed in the 5th grade" or something, they'll say.

No, he was just an asshole who snapped one day. Shit happens. People don't want to think that, and that's why there is a push to increase the stigma / restrictions around people with even minor mental illness. We want to pretend you can see things coming. We want to pretend we can prevent all tragedy. We can't -- that's the price we pay for being free.

It's just a shitty situation. I wish someone had shot and killed the shooter sooner and saved more lives. End of story.

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See also: damned near every fucking conspiracy theory ever.

Media ate this one up...

Every headline insinuating and associating the vest and magazine to the arrest, not the lying, that's on page 12 in subscript!

See: how to shape minds! They leave a lot out and Cherry pick the parts they sensationalize...

The spineless jellyfish all fall right in... Anyways

And yes, agreed... You don't gain anything while being interviewed without an attorney. And the BS that you don't need one (yet) because we haven't charged you, or it will go easier on you if you cooperate BS... Is just BS!

Answer minimally... Being vague is OK, don't lie. Once the questions get specific and accusatory, stop talking, ask if you are being charged and if not then leave! If held, there needs to be suspicion of a crime committed and it shouldn't be verified by your own admission, lol...

People don't get it! In order to enjoy your Rights, you need to invoke them! Make no assumption they are given to you! You cannot talk yourself out of trouble. And questions asked of you, about you, will only be used against you, period!

Schmuck is going to have a record, possibly jail time, and for no other reason than talking himself into it!

Can't fix stupid!

See?

Weed makes you stupid.

And as John Wayne said- "Life is harder when you're stupid."