What is the LEO exemption? What can they own that we can't?

GOPerfect said:

As for the OP, LE Officers are exempt from Penal codes 265 and 400. All sections. There is very limitations as to what coppers in New York are authorized to own in regards to firearms, accessories and other types of weapons.

While I do not agree to these exemptions, I use the job I have to own and store all that I can. I do not do it to rub in the faces of others, I do not do it because I think I am better than others. I do not consider myself to be a first class citizen and others second class. I use these laws as to my advantage anytime that I can.

I would be a fool to pass up the opportunity to own these tools.

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I do not fault individual officers for taking advantage of what's offered to them.

It would be hypocritical IMHO for me to do so, I have a full carry permit largely by virtue of living in a permissive county, something other people in NY can't obtain.

Just like I do not fault welfare recipients for taking the checks that are offered to them.

But I do find all of the systems like these that arbitrarily divide people into haves and have nots completely repugnant. Even if I end up on the "have" side of some of them.

Airborneguy said:

Well since this thread will be a shit show anyway, I might as well answer the question truthfully.

Silencers and SBR’s are legal for NY LEO’s.

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Only while active. The second you retire, that SBR and such are illegal.

These guys think just being able to have a 15 round magazine to a gun that wasn’t necessarily your choice is so great. That gun for me sits in a safe until I have to requal with an occasion range day in between.

And yes, there are some great perks for active officers but big potential down sides as well:
Don’t forget that for twenty or more years, we lived under that “red flag” threat . And not just for what that red flag law is supposed to be about but at the whim of a supervisor who says you didn’t file some TPF report or something.

That our carry guys including off duty were subject to other people’s restrictions. Now that I am retired, I can carry a greater choice.

And yes, there are some great perks such as just being able to walk and buy a handgun in the same visit without a ton of red tape. I miss it. But that “freedom “ for active LEOs in this state is much less than that of a citizen in a free state.

The one retired perk that I am taking advantage of is LEOSA and the statewide permit. But even that is more limited than one would believe. When I go to NYC for a night with the wife, certain places will not let me carry. And the problem of securing it becomes a big issue. A big enough issue that often the choice is go unarmed or don’t go. It was a problem even when I was active but more so now.

TPF lol. Caught that.

Fyi, the process changed for acquiring handguns. We have to hand deliver the acquisition to the Bronx now. They did that shit on purpose.

*TPS*, mmmkay? Great.

Curmudgeon said:

I think Ben from @OnSight Firearms Training posted something within the last few months about something being sold in NYS. I'm too lazy to look it up.

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I believe that to be just an AR firearm. What I want to know is would an AR AOW with a tax stamp be legal because it wouldn’t be a rifle or a pistol and you would have AOW paperwork for it from the feds.

Curmudgeon said:

I think Ben from @OnSight Firearms Training posted something within the last few months about something being sold in NYS. I'm too lazy to look it up.

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You are referring to an "other".

togmaster said:

You are referring to an "other".

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Right. It’s a firearm that’s neither a pistol or a rifle but an LEO can arrest you for having a pistol because it looks like one.

With an AOW, you would have paperwork from the ATF I’m assuming specially saying that you have an AOW which is not a pistol or a rifle.

I believe this needs it’s own thread. Look out for it.

Airborneguy said:

TPF lol. Caught that.

Fyi, the process changed for acquiring handguns. We have to hand deliver the acquisition to the Bronx now. They did that shit on purpose.

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Wow, for you to travel from Staten Island to the Bronx for that.

And I made a mistake. I meant to type TPS report ( office space reference)

spat said:

I do not fault individual officers for taking advantage of what's offered to them.

It would be hypocritical IMHO for me to do so, I have a full carry permit largely by virtue of living in a permissive county, something other people in NY can't obtain.

Just like I do not fault welfare recipients for taking the checks that are offered to them.

But I do find all of the systems like these that arbitrarily divide people into haves and have nots completely repugnant. Even if I end up on the "have" side of some of them.

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This.. shit if you have an exemption and dont take full advantage of it well that's just dumb.

My issue is when officers (yes there are some) who have the exemption and say shit like well we deserve it and "civilians" dont need these guns blah blah.blah

It is the us and them atmosphere that it creates, and the mind set of many in law enforcement. It is just wrong, on so many levels. What constitution!??!?!?!?!?!?!?
I understand G, but you are the exception!
Robin

@Robin nailed it. TPTB just don’t get the fact that making artificial gradients in the law will degrade the law. Don’t attempt to tell me the disrespect shown to LE isn’t an outgrowth of the division they have fostered legally, specifically in creating a clear divide between LE and “normal” citizens.

What happens when “normal” citizens no longer accept the divide?

ProgSpear said:

@Robin nailed it. TPTB just don’t get the fact that making artificial gradients in the law will degrade the law. Don’t attempt to tell me the disrespect shown to LE isn’t an outgrowth of the division they have fostered legally, specifically in creating a clear divide between LE and “normal” citizens.

What happens when “normal” citizens no longer accept the divide?

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The disrespect to LEOs?

Frankly I doubt the lack of respect community I would be concerned with is the CCW community . I doubt the vast majority of the people who openly disrespect cops are lawful gun owners in the first place.

The us vs them mentality didn’t start with the SAFE act or the 1994 AWB. And wouldn’t stop for some even if this was a constitutional carry state. Some people are anti authoritarian and should just own up to that. The gun ownership issues can just be a focal point of it. Other wise it would be “duty to retreat” laws, etc.

And yes I believe the “duty to retreat laws” in NYS would be examined and more exemptions possibly added.

Prior to the Safe Act, I never even gave officers a look. I didn’t see them as bad or good. Just guys that you couldn’t speed around. It wasn’t until after the Safe Act that I took a negative view towards them after researching how willing they were to enforce my rights being violated. The more I looked for examples, the more I found. I was ignorant before. They’ve been doing this since before the Safe Act with the Sullivan laws. I just didn’t realize that it’s been going on for years. I was a sheeple that thought that it was okay to be permitted a right.

Truebeliever is right, “you guys” aren’t the ones guiding police hatred (the leftist media), fomenting it (leftist politicians) or acting on it (mostly underclass street skells and their white, woke “allies).

I’ve never once had a gun-loving American walk up to me in the street to speak a disparaging word. Between my time in tourist areas in Manhattan and where I work now (the reddest part of NYC), I’ve encountered plenty while working. I have though experienced hundreds of the other types do it though.

In fact, the “divide” you speak of is far more overblown than the one on the street in urban communities. At least its true there that 99% of cops can’t relate to those communities at all. Even a cop who’s relatively cool to gun rights isn’t going out looking for obscure gun laws to enforce against random regular joes (well maybe in NJ lol).

I also take advantage of what I can have while active LEO, but already looking to leave NY after retirement or maybe before. Hopefully the Supreme Court will take these cases and eventually make a ruling against states violating the BOR. I believe any law abiding citizen should be able to have whatever they want. Most LEOs that I know and work with feel the same way.

More and more I’m thinking I really can’t leave for awhile. I’m either going to have to stay on the job until I can move out of the state, or retire and just “not comply”. I can’t leave for family reasons for at least another 10-15 years, but I want to retire in about 5-7.

Airborneguy said:

More and more I’m thinking I really can’t leave for awhile. I’m either going to have to stay on the job until I can move out of the state, or retire and just “not comply”. I can’t leave for family reasons for at least another 10-15 years, but I want to retire in about 5-7.

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Ride that desk and save the OT.
Then GTFO of here.

Edwardteach72 said:

This.. shit if you have an exemption and dont take full advantage of it well that's just dumb.

My issue is when officers (yes there are some) who have the exemption and say shit like well we deserve it and "civilians" dont need these guns blah blah.blah

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Ed,
Totally agree with you on this sentence with it's multiple points. But, I don't think you have that issue with most if any, of they guys here.

HDMotorCop said:

Ed,
Totally agree with you on this sentence with it's multiple points. But, I don't think you have that issue with most if any, of they guys here.

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No, I think that's a minority view in LE, but the MSM sure manages to find a few with that attitude and parade them all over the country right next to the Fudds that think the 2A was written for deer hunting.

So, it does kinda hit a raw nerve.

We live in a country where assault weapons are more abundant than in Afghanistan. Law enforcement needs any and all weapons to effectively deal with this. Although many of you still think it's the 1950s, it's not. And restrictions to LEOs on what types of weapons they can own would put them at a serious disadvantage. The old 38 special and 5 shot pump 12ga while cruising around in a 115hp 7000lb car days are long gone.

Diesel Tech said:

We live in a country where assault weapons are more abundant than in Afghanistan. Law enforcement needs any and all weapons to effectively deal with this. Although many of you still think it's the 1950s, it's not. And restrictions to LEOs on what types of weapons they can own would put them at a serious disadvantage. The old 38 special and 5 shot pump 12ga while cruising around in a 115hp 7000lb car days are long gone.

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Oh great here comes the troll who is going to post one bull shit post get everyone rilled up and dip out.


Go get fucked.. ok wait not everyone rilled up, I know of atleast one member on here (maybe more) who tell me I have to be friends with POS like diesel and stand side by side with this fucking turncoat

Edwardteach72 said:

Go get fucked.. ok wait not everyone rilled up, I know of atleast one member on here (maybe more) who tell me I have to be friends with POS like diesel and stand side by side with this fucking turncoat

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Fuck that.

Doc8404 said:

Fuck that.

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What no diesel is a gun owner so we have to accept him and befriend him and keep him by our side....... according to some

Only reason: keep your enemies closer.

It’s good to see him post.

We know we won’t hear from him again for a while.

You guys left out the biggest insult of all as far as what LEO can have that we suffering plebes cannot.



Awesome dance party lights on top of the car.

Doc8404 said:

Only reason: keep your enemies closer.

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Like an "ear necklace"? Then I agree.

@dsdmmat, you've never seen boxes of live grenades at the gun show?

Truebeliever said:

Actually there is. Both case law and criminal procedure law . The law also protects you if you found child porn while repairing a computer and you turned it in. It’s “transitory “ possession. Also a defense lawyer or expert gets hold such evidence for court purposes and scientific tests.

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That’s usually not the case, the defense lawyers/experts normally only get access to inspect contraband evidence of that sort (in particular CP) on-site in a state-controlled facility, and cannot retain samples or copies.