C3D
.308 Win
[VIDEO] Man Banned Nationwide After Openly Carrying Handgun In Walmart
The dude is now banned from Walmart, which is unfortunate.
The dude is now banned from Walmart, which is unfortunate.
7 cops respond to man legally carrying, berate citizen with lecture.
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vanderblack
.357 mag
"While Walmart still allows concealed carry in their locations, it looks as though many would have some trouble if they do actually try to openly carry a firearm. Who knows how this will play out on a store-to-store basis, but it doesn’t look good for those who choose open carry over concealed." - Choose to open carry over concealed carry? A number of states allow open carry and do not allow concealed or require a permit for concealed carry. In those states, Walmart is basically saying, leave your gun at home if you are coming into our store. Leaving a handgun locked in a car while you go into a store is illegal in some states and probably not a good idea. Screw Walmart.
Let's see if the lawsuit changes their mind.
repete
.338 Win Mag
I seem to remember wally's statement saying that they ASKING people not to open carry not that it was BANNED!
That is my recollection as well. So, this is a bit puzzling. If nothing is posted at the entrances, and they say that they "prefer" that customers don't open carry, well then, what happened here? If I open carry, are they going to hit me with some lifetime ban? Or, if I open carry there (in a state where open carry is permitted by law, such as NC), will they simply ask me to leave, and if I do, is that the end of it?
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
so how does this work, does wally world have facial recognition programs? what if he pays cash?
I personally would challenge this bullshit all day long, just for the fun of it
I personally would challenge this bullshit all day long, just for the fun of it
@thewheels
.308 Win
So they banned him. As long as nobody recognizes him, he can go whenever he pleases as long as he doesn't OC.
The right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution, which makes such a civil rights issue. We need to work towards making gun owners a "protected class" with all the protections the law gives other so called "protected classes". This guy should file a discrimination lawsuit.
Basically he’d have to pay cash from now on and go to a Walmart which doesn’t have his picture posted in the security room. Otherwise they could charge him with trespassing.
Target around here has top notch security with better cameras than we have. We get called frequently for this very thing. They have pictures of banned people hanging in the room and if they see one inside the store, they call us. Click click.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I would have just left and not signed it. He broke no laws and not signing that piece of paper does not violate any laws either.
He'd still be trespassing next time whether he signed it or not. You don't have to break a law for a store to ban you from their premise.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Problem solved.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Walmart has been slowly and quietly rolling out facial recognition software in their stores all over the country. I visited a store a couple of days ago that had motion-sensing cameras with monitors in over 100 locations inside the store.
I know of at least one shopping mall upstate that has been experimenting with facial recognition software on their security cameras. They can select a target on one camera and have the server search for every frame where that person appeared on every camera, and essentially build a timeline from the minute the person entered the mall to the minute they left. The same mall also has LPR on all of the entrances to the property, so every vehicle entering the property gets scanned. With those two tools combined, the clearance rate for larcenies at the mall has more than doubled in the last year, and trespass prosecutions have tripled.
Now that we accept so much responsibility for the “number” aspect of larcenies, especially grand larcenies, I’m actually happy to see stores do this. They need to accept some responsibility as well, and help us catch these guys and gals.
We have a Home Depot and a Target - directly across from each other - in my command. Their approaches to theft are worlds apart.
Target aggressively investigates and detains shoplifters. Most of the time, when he get the call the perp is already in their holding area.
Home Depot literally lets them walk out. They have a zero confrontation policy. You can walk into Home Depot, fill a cart and walk out without a single security guard attempting to stop you. It’s sick. We take grand larcenies there that we then have to answer to regardless of this policy. It’s mindblowing. Why the fuck am I answering for this nonsense?
We have a Home Depot and a Target - directly across from each other - in my command. Their approaches to theft are worlds apart.
Target aggressively investigates and detains shoplifters. Most of the time, when he get the call the perp is already in their holding area.
Home Depot literally lets them walk out. They have a zero confrontation policy. You can walk into Home Depot, fill a cart and walk out without a single security guard attempting to stop you. It’s sick. We take grand larcenies there that we then have to answer to regardless of this policy. It’s mindblowing. Why the fuck am I answering for this nonsense?
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
This particular mall has at least two Deputies assigned to it whenever the mall is open. Several more are assigned there during peak shopping season. Even though most of the stores in the mall have a no-confrontation policy, the Deputies working there have had a great deal of success in prosecuting CPSP. They then become the complainant vs involving the store.
One of the cool things that this mall has done (and their corporate parent is rolling this out to all of their properties) is take the feed from the cameras and make it available via VPN to the county 911 center. In active shooter or bomb threat situations, the dispatchers can watch the feed live and immediately relay retails to on-site or incoming units. The next step is making that feed available to the mobile command post.
This mall has (rightfully) earned a "don't fuck with us" reputation and it shows.
One of the cool things that this mall has done (and their corporate parent is rolling this out to all of their properties) is take the feed from the cameras and make it available via VPN to the county 911 center. In active shooter or bomb threat situations, the dispatchers can watch the feed live and immediately relay retails to on-site or incoming units. The next step is making that feed available to the mobile command post.
This mall has (rightfully) earned a "don't fuck with us" reputation and it shows.
Facial recognition, video surveillance all linked to databases........ Can't you people see what's happening here? This isn't about "larceny clearance rates" or any such nonsense! This is about command and control. Wait until they start banning you from stores, restricting your travel and freezing your assets because the powers that be have deemed you guilty of wrong think. This is exactly the same kind of dystopian nightmare the Chinese have with their "Social Credi System". Only worse since our tech actually works and since it's all being handled by private tech firms and not the government it all completely skirts the Constitution.
All this, the tech, the Walmart ban, it's all very wrong and very evil and it all has to stop! It has to stop if we have to burn every last motherfucking thing in this country to the fucking ground.
All this, the tech, the Walmart ban, it's all very wrong and very evil and it all has to stop! It has to stop if we have to burn every last motherfucking thing in this country to the fucking ground.
So you don’t believe in private property rights?
I don't believe corporations are private.
I believe the individual trumps the collective.
I don't believe in the surveillance state
I don't believe in the police state
I believe liberty is more precious than life
I believe that chaos is preferable rigid stagnation.
Walmart's rights do not take precedence over my personal Civil Rights any more than Silcon Valley Tech has a right to suppress individual expression.
Walmart has no rights.
I'd rather see the world burn than see it enslaved.
Ok
Their property, their rules.
You have no right to it.
The individual (owner) trumps the collective (cry babies upset because they didn't get their way.)
Walmart isn't an individual it's a corporation, fuck walmart, fuck all corporations burn all anti gunners.
Who owns Walmart?
Assholes.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Silicon Valley has no right to suppress individual expression."
So basically- you want the government to control social media?
So basically- you want the government to control social media?
Of course not. I don't want anyone to have control of the internet. Everyone must be free to express whatever the hell they want.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
So where does the money come from to set up those platforms, and who should regulate them to your liking?
No regulation, self funding. Go back to a decentralized internet, back to a collection of individual web pages created by individuals to be sought by individuals. Not centralized likenwith a handful of social media sites. Centralization is authoritarian, decentralized is libertarian.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
The Internet 100% sucked ass in 1995.
No it didn't. Don't conflate technology with structure and content. What about 2005 or '10? Centralized social media hegemony is a fairly recent phenomenon.
Just don’t use the ones you don’t like.