How AR-15s Became the Plastic Straws of the Gun World

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Assault weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons --anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
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Josh Sugarmann is the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center (VPC). Prior to founding the VPC, Sugarmann was a press officer in the national office of Amnesty International USA and was the communications director for the National Coalition to Ban Handguns
Josh Sugarmann: Assault weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons --anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
 
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How is the public still confused by this at this point?

We have been having this bullshit, fake conversation now for almost 40 years.

Either people are really fucking stupid (and that's coming from someone with a low opinion of humanity to begin with) or they're wilfully blind.

I am not including here the disingenuous bullshit artists that propagate the lies and miaunderstanding.
 
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BDinPutnam said:
How is the public still confused by this at this point?

We have been having this bullshit, fake conversation now for almost 40 years.

Either people are really fucking stupid (and that's coming from someone with a low opinion of humanity to begin with) or they're wilfully blind.

I am not including here the disingenuous bullshit artists that propagate the lies and miaunderstanding.
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Most of the people who want to ban guns can't figure out how bathrooms work, and you don't think they're dumb enough ?
 
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Acer-m14 said:
Simple fix from the Japanese .. make all bathroom like this LOL ..
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I've got a simpler fix.

We get rid of the warning labels and the people who can't figure out not to eat laundry detergent will eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

I don't trust governments to decide who we need to get rid of, but natural selection has proven to do a decent job for billions of years....
 
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BDinPutnam said:
How is the public still confused by this at this point?

We have been having this bullshit, fake conversation now for almost 40 years.

Either people are really fucking stupid (and that's coming from someone with a low opinion of humanity to begin with) or they're wilfully blind.

I am not including here the disingenuous bullshit artists that propagate the lies and miaunderstanding.
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Honestly I think people still believe it. They hear it on the news and on the internet and who would you believe if you were them a crazy gun nut or some one like minded?
My wife not too long ago said this same thing why do you need one they are this and that and are more deadly and operate differently. I set her straight and told her the truth. I’m still not sure she believed me.
Go on twitter and you’ll hear people say things like I was in the armed services, a cop, or I love guns and these guns don’t belong on the street. I think few and far between really feel this way. I call these people out and say you’re lying and aren’t those things you’re just saying this to make your opinion more believable and present facts. I never hear back from them generally because they don’t want facts about guns to fill their twitter feed or people to think.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Honestly I think people still believe it. They hear it on the news and on the internet and who would you believe if you were them a crazy gun nut or some one like minded?
My wife not too long ago said this same thing why do you need one they are this and that and are more deadly and operate differently. I set her straight and told her the truth. I’m still not sure she believed me.
Go on twitter and you’ll hear people say things like I was in the armed services, a cop, or I love guns and these guns don’t belong on the street. I think few and far between really feel this way. I call these people out and say you’re lying and aren’t those things you’re just saying this to make your opinion more believable and present facts. I never hear back from them generally because they don’t want facts about guns to fill their twitter feed or people to think.
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When they say "I was in the military, and..." Just remind them that stolen valor is a crime....
 
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I think voting should be restricted to those that have a reasonably high IQ and only after the prospective voter has demonstrated an acceptable grasp of the issues, the candidates and their stance thereof. Otherwise go sit in the corner and be quiet.
 
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The lie has been told so much to a non gun person they honestly are so confused they think an AR15 is far more deadly than a mini14.

A gun person knows they do the exact same thing.

A non gun person has been traumatized by sensationalist media reporting of mass shooters and deceitful grandstanding politicians. There is a major political element as well. Non gun people are more likely to be Democrats.

A non gun person will look at the mini14 see the wood stock and think it's a hunting rifle and nothing "extreme" they will look at an AR15 and they have been conditioned to view them as weapons of war. They are ignorant to the fact that both guns are essentially the same.

Our side sucks at organizing. We don't have any mass media on our side. Our politicians are milquetoast at best. We don't have effective special interest groups out there controlling the conversation and directing the narrative. We're always on the defensive.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
The lie has been told so much to a non gun person they honestly are so confused they think an AR15 is far more deadly than a mini14.

A gun person knows they do the exact same thing.

A non gun person has been traumatized by sensationalist media reporting of mass shooters and deceitful grandstanding politicians. There is a major political element as well. Non gun people are more likely to be Democrats.

A non gun person will look at the mini14 see the wood stock and think it's a hunting rifle and nothing "extreme" they will look at an AR15 and they have been conditioned to view them as weapons of war. They are ignorant to the fact that both guns are essentially the same.

Our side sucks at organizing. We don't have any mass media on our side. Our politicians are milquetoast at best. We don't have effective special interest groups out there controlling the conversation and directing the narrative. We're always on the defensive.
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So how should we change that?
 
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