Colt is stopping civilian production of their rifles

Podmonkey · Sep 18, 2019

FrankenCub said:
No big loss as far as I'm concerned. Anyone somewhat mechanically inclined can assemble an AR that will rival/surpass Colt's offerings. For less money.
My Poverty Pony is a good example, functions perfect and shoots great. No need to spend Colt prices.

All forgered receivers are mostly the same anyways. There are some new forged receiver sets from the likes of companies like PWS and 2A Armament that offer unique forged designs.
I want to get 2A's lightweight Palouse set when they release it fornthe basis of a lightweight build. It costs half as much as their billet receivers and is the same lightweight.

FrankenCub · Sep 18, 2019

Podmonkey said:
All forgered receivers are mostly the same anyways. There are some new forged receiver sets from the likes of companies like PWS and 2A Armament that offer unique forged designs.
I want to get 2A's lightweight Palouse set when they release it fornthe basis of a lightweight build. It costs half as much as their billet receivers and is the same lightweight.

I really like some of the new designs but can't yet justify spending the coin. The light weight designs aren't really my cup of tea, I don't notice much of a difference after carrying heavy rifles and shotguns most of the time. Any AR is a light weight then lol. I do like the flared magwells and sculptured lowers though.

Podmonkey · Sep 18, 2019

FrankenCub said:
I really like some of the new designs but can't yet justify spending the coin. The light weight designs aren't really my cup of tea, I don't notice much of a difference after carrying heavy rifles and shotguns most of the time. Any AR is a light weight then lol. I do like the flared magwells and sculptured lowers though.

There are two main reasons for lightweight builds. In AR build terms we are talking extreme lightweight, as in sub 5lbs in some cases. There are sub 4lb AR15s out there even.
For one thing the weight of a rifle matters the more one carries it. For a range trip it doesn't matter, nor for most competitions where weight can be benefit. But for a patrol rifle carried all day, or for any gun taken on an extended outing of days or weeks the lighter the better.
The second reason, the real reason in most people's cases (including mine) its bragging rights. It's an interesting benchmark to crow about with your shooting buddies.
But also in my case, I like to do a lot of offhand shooting and that is much easier with a light gun. Especially if your range sessions run in the 6-8 hour time frame as mine frequently do.
A light gun also swings faster.
I to do a build with a lightweight receiver set the weighs less than 13oz total with a lightweight 14.5" pencil barrel from Faxon which weighs just over 1lb (lighter than carbon fiber barrels) with carbon fiber furniture, including the buffer tube.
Carbon Fiber Smoke Composites has some really interesting products including the only carbon fiber handguard I have seen with an integral top picatinny rail. Just for the unique coolness of it.
I have added tonthe weights of all the parts I would use and the total weight is well under 5lbs. It would be a fairly expensive build though and a ways off.

FrankenCub · Sep 18, 2019

Yeah, I get it. I can see wanting a light AR, I just don't want one for me. My back is fucked anyway so it's not really going to matter what I'm carrying, it will get to me after a while. Most of my hunting has been hours and hours carrying an Encore ML, think they're advertised around 8 pounds, and my bird guns aren't very light either. So when I carry my AR coyote hunting it's like carrying a pellet gun lol. Granted, I wont be deer hunting anymore, I decided last year was it for me. I can't enjoy my days in the woods like I used to. I'll still bird and coyote hunt though. Range time is still no biggie, my AR is a hell of a lot lighter than my other guns.
I actually don't know what it weighs, I don't think I have scales that would register low enough, my other scales I don't think go above a couple pounds.
I wanted to get one of the Cursader sculpted lowers at one point but with all the anti gun BS going around I think everything from here on out is going to be 80%.

repete · Sep 18, 2019

Jmac00 said:
I know a guy? NO SERIOUSLY, a guy at our gun club has an original colt Python 357, in the original box with all the original papers. last I heard he wanted $4200 for it

I saw one in the box at the gun show last weekend, $6500

Grimscale · Sep 19, 2019

Here's the thing.
I don't care if Colt is discontinuing because of lack of interest in the market, or because they bend over for Beto and his pack of mangy mutts.

The fact that they come out and declare they won't sell to the CIVILIAN market tells me that Colt supports the tier system that is being systematically enforced on the People of America. They are happy to sell to "official" groups, or "military/police" groups, forgetting that those people are also "civilians" who just happen to work a .gov job.
But the final decision is that Colt has declared they support martial law.

Fuck 'em.
I'm happy with my S.A.M. 1911, and will be just as happy to give Kimber, Rock Island, or Ruger my money when I go looking for another.
And as for that AR I was going to build....
Guess I won't even bother looking for a Colt branded lower.

They made their bed, now they can live homeless in it.

MoMan · Sep 19, 2019

Grimscale said:
The fact that they come out and declare they won't sell to the CIVILIAN market tells me that Colt supports the tier system

Definitely! They could have referred to it for what it is/was; the RETAIL market!! You're spot on regarding the tier system.

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Guess I would never buy a colt weapon again , Sorry Colt.

Podmonkey · Sep 19, 2019

Is anyone paying attention? Colt is suspending sales due to lack of interest and the fact that they are slowly going bankrupt. If there was a surge in demand for Colt ARs they said they would resume civilian sales thereof. Colt is going to become defunct at some point in the relatively near future.

gun_slinger_boy · Sep 19, 2019

Podmonkey said:
There are two main reasons for lightweight builds. In AR build terms we are talking extreme lightweight, as in sub 5lbs in some cases. There are sub 4lb AR15s out there even.
For one thing the weight of a rifle matters the more one carries it. For a range trip it doesn't matter, nor for most competitions where weight can be benefit. But for a patrol rifle carried all day, or for any gun taken on an extended outing of days or weeks the lighter the better.
The second reason, the real reason in most people's cases (including mine) its bragging rights. It's an interesting benchmark to crow about with your shooting buddies.
But also in my case, I like to do a lot of offhand shooting and that is much easier with a light gun. Especially if your range sessions run in the 6-8 hour time frame as mine frequently do.
A light gun also swings faster.
I to do a build with a lightweight receiver set the weighs less than 13oz total with a lightweight 14.5" pencil barrel from Faxon which weighs just over 1lb (lighter than carbon fiber barrels) with carbon fiber furniture, including the buffer tube.
Carbon Fiber Smoke Composites has some really interesting products including the only carbon fiber handguard I have seen with an integral top picatinny rail. Just for the unique coolness of it.
I have added tonthe weights of all the parts I would use and the total weight is well under 5lbs. It would be a fairly expensive build though and a ways off.

There's always this. The only thing I don't like about these types of specialty rifles is that they are usually made in a way where you can't do absolutely anything to them or they won't run correctly. I think this would be a cool rifle but I'd want to be able to put a can on it. BTW the pistol weighs 3.5 lbs

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

Podmonkey said:
Is anyone paying attention? Colt is suspending sales due to lack of interest and the fact that they are slowly going bankrupt. If there was a surge in demand for Colt ARs they said they would resume civilian sales thereof. Colt is going to become defunct at some point in the relatively near future.

People dont look at the facts they just want to bitch and moan.

It's a simple concept. Colt (a company that A: never gave a shit about civilian market and B: can never keep themselves in the black) isnt making enough money on the sales of one product line, and are struggling financially as a company per usual, so instead of bleeding money on a line that isnt selling they stop that line for now, continue to work lines that are making money to try and fix their financial issues. And if the market at some point demands (wants) their rifles again and it would become profitable they will start back up

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

If they are going bankrupt why are they cutting product?
Why aren't they suspending sales of other weapons to civilians?

if you need to cut costs because the product isn't moving , then say so . Don't say, we are cutting the product to civilians . Those have two different meanings.

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Edwardteach72 said:
People dont look at the facts they just want to bitch and moan.

It's a simple concept. Colt (a company that A: never gave a shit about civilian market and B: can never keep themselves in the black) isnt making enough money on the sales of one product line, and are struggling financially as a company per usual, so instead of bleeding money on a line that isnt selling they stop that line for now, continue to work lines that are making money to try and fix their financial issues. And if the market at some point demands (wants) their rifles again and it would become profitable they will start back up

That's all fine and good. but state that for the reason . Not were suspending sales to civilians.

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
If they are going bankrupt why are they cutting product?
Why aren't they suspending sales of other weapons to civilians?

if you need to cut costs because the product isn't moving , then say so . Don't say, we are cutting the product to civilians . Those have two different meanings.

Because the other products are selling better than their rifles, their rifles arent competing any more now that there are bigger and better names in ARs..

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
That's all fine and good. but state that for the reason . Not were suspending sales to civilians.

Why, fuck they could stop just because they fucking wanted to how is that a big deal?

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

because its a big fucking political deal in case you haven't been paying attention that's why.

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

whats the big deal if all AR manufactures did the same?

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
because its a big fucking political deal in case you haven't been paying attention that's why.

Political hahaha how is a company deciding to stop one product due to financial problems a political deal.

Honestly why would a company come out and say we are pretty bad financially so we have to downsize and stop selling some products. Yea that will go great with them trying to drum up more business... that's the dumbest business move possible

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
whats the big deal if all AR manufactures did the same?

Why would other AR manufacturers do the same. They are all turning a profit on their products. So why would they stop selling them

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Political hahaha how is a company deciding to stop one product due to financial problems a political deal.

Really Man? You need that explained to you? Gun control and banning AR,s is in the fore front of the politics across the nation. Its become a major voting issue , Like it or not , Gun manufactures have been thrown into the political arena by anti gun politicians

Honestly why would a company come out and say we are pretty bad financially so we have to downsize and stop selling some products. Yea that will go great with them trying to drum up more business... that's the dumbest business move possible.

Ohhhhh I don't know, because its the truth? It would be more palatable to gun owners if they understood this was only a business decision based on the numbers alone and that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

The way it done suggests otherwise and that is an even worse business decision if gun owners decide they wont ever buy a colt again.

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Edwardteach72 said:
Why would other AR manufacturers do the same. They are all turning a profit on their products. So why would they stop selling them

Well because they said they wernt . How about that? Your kool with that?

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
Political hahaha how is a company deciding to stop one product due to financial problems a political deal.

Really Man? You need that explained to you? Gun control and banning AR,s is in the fore front of the politics across the nation. Its become a major voting issue , Like it or not , Gun manufactures have been thrown into the political arena by anti gun politicians

Honestly why would a company come out and say we are pretty bad financially so we have to downsize and stop selling some products. Yea that will go great with them trying to drum up more business... that's the dumbest business move possible.

Ohhhhh I don't know, because its the truth? It would be more palatable to gun owners if they understood this was only a business decision based on the numbers alone and that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

The way it done suggests otherwise and that is an even worse business decision if gun owners decide they wont ever buy a colt again.

So colt decided to stop selling ARs because government hahha ok yup try again alex jones.

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
Well because they said they wernt . How about that? Your kool with that?

Yea why not fuck em

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
Well because they said they wernt . How about that? Your kool with that?

Glad to know your down with forcing companies to do things they decided isnt in their best intrest... pretty fucking pro individual freedoms you are

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

""Shakes head""

You just handed the Antis a new way to ban the sales Ar's by buying off the ownership one by one.

what could possibly go wrong here?

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
Honestly why would a company come out and say we are pretty bad financially so we have to downsize and stop selling some products. Yea that will go great with them trying to drum up more business... that's the dumbest business move possible.

Ohhhhh I don't know, because its the truth? It would be more palatable to gun owners if they understood this was only a business decision based on the numbers alone and that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

.

Weird the only ones who dont seem to understand why Colt did this are just bitching and moaning about politics and gooberment and now I cant get an AR or some dumb shit.

While other people seem to have figured out almost instantly hmmm colt probably is trying to go bankrupt once again

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
""Shakes head""

You just handed the Antis a new way to ban the sales Ar's by buying off the ownership one by one.

what could possibly go wrong here?

Oh wait wait who just bought colt? I didnt see any change of ownership. Please tell me what liberal anti gunner bought the company?

Hahaha being stupid enough to think profitable AR15 companies would just sell their business, let alone to an anti gunner hahhahahahahahahahhahahhaha

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Edwardteach72 said:
Glad to know your down with forcing companies to do things they decided isnt in their best intrest... pretty fucking pro individual freedoms you are

Don't twist my words around , Im not forcing anyone to do anything . Its just naïve and short sighted to think that this Idea cant be used to the Anti gunnners advantage .

Im very pro freedom that's why I don't want our weapons banned.

Edwardteach72 · Sep 19, 2019

holdover said:
Don't twist my words around , Im not forcing anyone to do anything . Its just naïve and short sighted to think that this Idea cant be used to the Anti gunnners advantage .

Im very pro freedom that's why I don't want our weapons banned.

And yet your pissing and moaning that a company decided to halt production of a product

holdover · Sep 19, 2019

Edwardteach72 said:
Weird the only ones who dont seem to understand why Colt did this are just bitching and moaning about politics and gooberment and now I cant get an AR or some dumb shit.

While other people seem to have figured out almost instantly hmmm colt probably is trying to go bankrupt once again

You know whats really weird? you assume it was for one thing when they stated another , then you blindly side with them .

Colt is stopping civilian production of their rifles

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