Which one of you guys owns a liquor store. Red flag law (merged thread)

The link to the video posted on Facebook is below (Edit: scroll down the page in that link and the video is posted several times, it's sideways). It's long and not much going on the first half as it's just the store owner & employee talking, then the manager (owner's son) arrives and goes wild yelling at the employee. The father seems to stay pretty level headed but the son keeps at it. News article says they live together so I guess that's why the father was served too.

WOW, went to his house sized his guns , because he became angry. Anger is now grounds for sizing your property.

Damn, no Facebook access.

There's something to be said about mental camouflage, emotional intelligence, being professional and basically keeping your shit together. Red flag laws are bullshit, this guy set himself up. Nothing wrong with being angry, it's a function of picking the battles you want to use it in. Controlling anger is an important survival skill. You can't be a grey man if you're frothing at the mouth.

A bit of a duplicate thread.

I’m guessing that many here support this since they have no issue with red flags being served due to arguments with a woman in the home.

holdover said:

WOW, went to his house sized his guns , because he became angry. Anger is now grounds for sizing your property.

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That game can be played both ways if you have mental discipline.

Guns have been seized, and permits revoked, - just because of word of mouth - long before the current 'red flag laws'. - A friend was going through a nasty divorce, - his wife testified in court - " He threatened me with a handgun!" - Poof! - pistol carry license revoked, - long guns ordered to be turned in. - Much lawyer fees later - and court appeals, wife admitted to lying - and permit was re-instated. I don't believe she was ever charged with any wrongdoing, false testimony, perjury, etc.

Everyone has their ass covered now that the voice raiser has been denuded. Rest easy America, the Stasi has your back!
Robin

Maybe the woman worker there was an asshole, many women do play the victim, but the son is certainly a loud mouth douche bag. He set himself up ultimately by mentioning "I will physically eject her out" "I will permanent end shit in here right fucking now". That is a threat of assault.

He follows by saying, "I'm about to start something real fucking illegal right fucking now" Dad shows concern and says "the cops will have a reason to show up then" Son says "sure will" and "I'll start fucking killing em". So threats of assault and threats of killing made by the son.

holdover said:

WOW, went to his house sized his guns , because he became angry. Anger is now grounds for sizing your property.

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Did they use a tape measure?

Where is the video?

Blimey said:

Where is the video?

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Oops, I thought that would be a direct link to it. It brings up a search results page and if you scroll down the video is posted several times.

byron said:

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there must be more I did not hear any real threats kid sure is an asshole if I'd been the old man I'd have threw him out.

byron said:

there must be more I did not hear any real threats kid sure is an asshole if I'd been the old man I'd have threw him out.

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I didn't catch it but some people are saying that when the father makes the comment about the police having a reason to be there the son had just said something about getting ready to do some illegal shit, and after father makes the cops comment the son says something about killing.

Watching that, I feel bad for the father. He is in a no win situation. Probably worked his whole life building the business, and he no doubt loves his son. Unfortunately, his son is showing his anger issues, and now it has bitten them both in the ass.

I've had to fire employees, and it is no picnic sometimes. We don't know about her, but the kid is an idiot behaving like that with an employee.

RomanRider said:

I didn't catch it but some people are saying that when the father makes the comment about the police having a reason to be there the son had just said something about getting ready to do some illegal shit, and after father makes the cops comment the son says something about killing.

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he did make that remark.I did't hear that before had to watch it again he said it in a low voice. But the old man never threatened anybody from what is shown he sure should not have been red flagged but the kid that may be a different story real hothead.

Neither should have been red flagged, there should be no such law on the books! It is a curse on the constitution.
Robin

Bustedknees said:

I think this may be @Doc8404 , I think he works the Rome area..

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**** you mother******
I will kick your ****ing ass.
This shit is getting real now.

Who the **** are you to say I have anger issues??!!!?



(For the jerkoffs from the alphabet agencies, I'm kidding. We are kidding. Jerk offs)

this whole incident should never have happened. If you're going to terminate someone, just fire them and show them the door. don't have a conversation with them.

This was stupid on many levels.

Jmac00 said:

this whole incident should never have happened. If you're going to terminate someone, just fire them and show them the door. don't have a conversation with them.

This was stupid on many levels.

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And, when your hot headed son comes into play, have him leave prior to tossing out threats of harm and killing!

He fucking sounded really fucking intelligent.

It takes a straight up piece of shit to talk to a woman that way.

Should've kept the women and fired the son!

Really, really bad idea to let your emotions show when terminating a bad employee.

Damn that's a lot of guns. I hope the father is able to get his back after all of this; assuming he kicks the son out.

The woman must have had issues before that caused her to video the event. I wonder if the son was drinking on the job..

I am generally against "red flag laws" because of how easily they are abused.. but in this case we have him on video, saying he's going to "permanently end this"... In addition to his other language, temper and mannerisms, I myself would feel threatened.

I worked retail for a LONG time, and I had never been talked to like this by even a customer. (though one customer said "I pray you die!" to me and a pharmacist, still waiting...)