Gov. Cuomo to sign executive order to take ventilators from upstate hospitals

BDinPutnam said:

So, once again- fuck those people downstate.

Got it.

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Nobody gets everything they want.

How many people down state actually need respirators right now and how many do they already have down there, including the ones he had stashed in the warehouse. Is this demand based on forecast or actual need.
I don't want anyone doing without, but I don't trust that fool for a minute. There are things called planes that can move men and equipment very rapidly to places where they are needed, not including warehouses.
Robin

Say what you will but the only people I care about are my family. None of which live in NYC.

Robin said:

How many people down state actually need respirators right now and how many do they already have down there, including the ones he had stashed in the warehouse. Is this demand based on forecast or actual need.
I don't want anyone doing without, but I don't trust that fool for a minute. There are things called planes that can move men and equipment very rapidly to places where they are needed, not including warehouses.
Robin

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You ever try to land a plane in Washington Heights?

Robin said:

How many people down state actually need respirators right now and how many do they already have down there, including the ones he had stashed in the warehouse. Is this demand based on forecast or actual need.
I don't want anyone doing without, but I don't trust that fool for a minute. There are things called planes that can move men and equipment very rapidly to places where they are needed, not including warehouses.
Robin

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How many can fit in his nifty helicopter?

This thread has my usually jaded, cynical ass very, very optimistic about humanity.

BDinPutnam said:

You ever try to land a plane in Washington Heights?

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No I haven't, but Sully did and quite successfully.
Robin

"Replaced or Reimbursed" What makes him think that they will have new ones manufactured to replace the ones taken in the timeframe they are needed? Reimbursed is a joke, what good is money to someone gasping for air? Also from the OP link "The State is broke" So what is his plan for replacing or reimbursing? I'm not against sending all the support to the "hot" areas that we can however there seems to be large holes in the plan to replace the ventilators with non existing stock that hasn't been manufactured with non existing dollars the State doesn't have.

So let me get this STR8. Cunhole is now going to decide who lives ? Wait what area people live. Upstate working people or NYC SHIT that do not speak english or Work.

He already backtracked. Dumb idea to begin with.

BDinPutnam said:

So fuck those people downstate?

And then a month or so down the road when production has ramped up we have:

1. A bunch of dead downstaters and
2. A surplus of ventilators.

Great plan.

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You're suggestion is "fuck those people upstate".

I am just wondering why everyone is so comfortable with FUAC being the one who gets to decide who gets fucked ?

Just because you "need" something doesn't give you the right to take it from it's rightful owner.

If I was running an upstate hospital, I'd seriously consider moving mine to a storage unit in PA right now.

If downstate needs them so badly, they should just put out bids at 10x the old price. I bet plenty of people suddenly decide they have some surplus ones.

But apparently we would rather let people die than let someone make a profit off this.

If I didn’t hate FUAC, I could maybe agree with the plan. For example, if he’s got them on order, and he knows they’re arriving in 96 hrs, I’ll give him mine and he can redirect the incoming shipment to me to backfill. It makes more sense than him sending patients out of NYC to upstate hospitals. Zucker said today they’ve already sent “several dozen” patients to Albany-area hospitals.

On the face of it, I don't think any of us are truly against moving resources where most needed. However, given the finer context of this situation (namely who is saying this, and his past performances), you can likely bank on 3 things.

1. The equipment will not be returned to the source area to match a rise in demand there. The demand downstate will far outstrip even the worst demand upstate merely going on population density. Upstate will be told too bad we need it more, sorry about your luck.

2. There will be no reimbursement for never-returned or damaged equipment (PPE is largely consumable anyway), nor replacement of same, when demand evens out or drops.

3. Il Duce will be quite unconcerned about the casualties in any area that did not place him in office.

With him in charge, this isn't moving the fire trucks to the fire, it's removing the fire trucks and centralizing resources around his base.. at the expense of the outlying areas.

A lot of people were on board with stealing masks from a guy with a warehouse full.

Now suddenly its stealing ventilators from the hospital *your* family will be sent to right before it's about to get bad.

What's next ?

How about this ? Whoever owns the stuff gets to decide where it goes and what gets done with it.

Doesn't matter how bad you need it, it's not yours, and it's definitely not FUAC's.

spat said:

A lot of people were on board with stealing masks from a guy with a warehouse full.

Now suddenly its stealing ventilators from the hospital *your* family will be sent to right before it's about to get bad.

What's next ?

How about this ? Whoever owns the stuff gets to decide where it goes and what gets done with it.

Doesn't matter how bad you need it, it's not yours, and it's definitely not FUAC's.

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Crazy talk. I bet you believe in that dusty old document too. (sarc) <-for those here with the broken meters.

Guys, this won't happen, stop with the slippery slope stuff!

Someone on here told me it won't.

I bet that split the state petition gets lots of signatures now.

Why not just accept Remington arms offer on making more PPE items and ventilators?

Protecting private resources from the state seems like a good reason to have a militia

So Upstate patients will likely be sacrificed for the likes of these NYCers being future NYC patients because of their ignoring any reasonable respect for minimizing exposre risk. This photo is from Thursday April 2nd

^^^^^ Look at what what is jammed in [ not color ]

Steal2B said:

So Upstate patients will likely be sacrificed for the likes of these NYCers being future NYC patients because of their ignoring any reasonable respect for minimizing exposre risk. This photo is from Thursday April 2nd View attachment 67913

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Was just about to post this

Pretty simple really...down state = Democrat voters....upstate = mostly not Dem voters....Heathcare rationing is beginning...and we ain't on the list!

IrishMick said:

ACFU! (Andrew Cuomo F*cks You)

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a new look at FUAC I like it,a choice.

BDinPutnam said:

Which house do you send the fire department to, the one that's on fire or the one that's on the other side of town and fine?

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Exactly. Resources will be directed in this fight where they are needed. That’s how people who get things done operate. Everyone else just sits around and complains.

Governor Nipples won't keep his word on reimbursement or return.
He hates us, people, up here.

This isn't rocket science.

What if an outbreak happened in the county that my family lives in and our vents were down in NYC.

I'm pissed, how come we only rated a memo of necessity? Now I totally feel like a second class citizen.

I’d also like to remind everyone of this.

Airborneguy said:

Exactly. Resources will be directed in this fight where they are needed. That’s how people who get things done operate. Everyone else just sits around and complains.

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Right, but you don't normally use the "national guard" to do that. Not unless you're doing something you know you're not supposed to do, and local LEO wouldn't uphold it.

If the ventilators come back, then I'm wrong. I'll admit I'm wrong.

But if they don't, in our time of need, then Cuomo is to blame for those who died.