BREAKING: Modem chip found on Michigan voting machine Mother board

Vantrepes · Apr 11, 2021

SonOfSun said:
If the sim card isn't active and provisioned, it's functionally the same thing as the ethernet cable being unplugged in that you have no internet connection. If you go buy a cell phone and don't connect it to a service carrier you don't get a data connection. That cellphone still has a "wireless modem" in it, but it doesn't mean it actually has an active connection.

Meh, sort of true

You can connect to WiFi without a sim card without a problem. You can't connect to a cellular network without a Sim, as far as I am aware. Again, you're making it seem like there is a hardware requirement for this modem to be active, and there isn't. It just needs a program to call on it, a driver to control it, and a network to connect to, in the most simple terms.

I just went and checked Domion's website, they seem to only sell one system for elections. There is no broad spectrum of similar, but differently marketed machines that do the same thing but with different features. They aren't LG, or Samsung cranking out 15 different types of phones that are using a similar chip set with different programing. They have one product, their election system, which has four vastly different components.

I do agree, it should have been stipulated in the bidding process that the machine shouldn't be able to be wirelessly connected. The thing is, if you're selling something as a secure voting system, why install a $150 chip for "future use" when you can skip the chip, and pitch it as a security benefit of being completely secure from wireless attacks or modifications?

Defilade · Apr 11, 2021

SonOfSun said:
Do you know that for a 100% indisputable fact? Seems like a baseless out-the-ass declaration.

Really? So explain to me how CNN or Fox news change their count updates instantly in real time? Or is it morse code to each new channel?

spat · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
This isn't explosive or huge news. Having a chip in there means nothing if it's not active (or more accurately, was not active for the duration of time the voting machine was in service). My PC has an ethernet controller, however it's not hooked to the Internet unless the wire is hooked in. Just having an ethernet chip doesn't make it an Internet connected device. Similarly, if this device wasn't active and provisioned, that equipment has the capacity to be Internet connected, without actually being Internet connected.

Now, if they can show there was an *ACTIVE* connection during service time, after they claimed it wasn't, then that's something else entirely.

Well, if people were claiming that the equipment didn't even have the capability to connect like this, and then you find it, it calls the credibility of the rest of their assertions about security into question.

"They couldn't have been hacked, they can't even be accessed remotely !"

"If they can't be accessed remotely, then what's this cellular modem doing on the board ?"

Acer-m14 · Apr 12, 2021

internet, cell , wifi , ethernet ..ect ... not needed to vote ...

and to make it even safer .. all the name tags will be written in
English cursive LOL ..

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

Acer-m14 said:
internet, cell , wifi , ethernet ..ect ... not needed to vote ... and to make it even safer .. all the name tags will be written in
English cursive LOL ..

I wish we'd go back to those booths. I remember when part of my civics course in high school (dating myself here ha) was them bringing in one of those machines and showing you how to operate it.

Good video on electronic voting;

Paxal · Apr 12, 2021

Jmac00 said:
EXPLOSIVE: Investigators for Attorney DePerno Reportedly Discover Modem Chips Embedded in Michigan Voting System Computer Motherboards | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Friday’s release by Attorney Matthew DePerno on his ongoing election fraud investigation was explosive.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Just more baseless claims with no evidence to back them up. Oh and discredited too!.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

spat said:
Well, if people were claiming that the equipment didn't even have the capability to connect like this, and then you find it, it calls the credibility of the rest of their assertions about security into question.

"They couldn't have been hacked, they can't even be accessed remotely !"

"If they can't be accessed remotely, then what's this cellular modem doing on the board ?"

The claim was never that they didn't have the hardware capability, not sure where you're getting that from. The claim was that they weren't connected to the Internet. Those aren't even remotely the same thing as I've previously outlined.

From the article: "For months the companies behind the computer voting systems claimed their computers did not have internet access."

Unless it's shown that the connection was provisioned and active (or that they were wired in at some point in-service, etc), the companies statements are correct.

Different Drummer · Apr 12, 2021

I would be curious to know how the major news networks can have nearly real time data for their
coverage updates if there is no connection between them and the election apparatus.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

Different Drummer said:
I would be curious to know how the major news networks can have nearly real time data for their
coverage updates if there is no connection between them and the election apparatus.

Lots and lots of labor.

For example here's how the AP does it for their calls:

Votes are tabulated county by county by the Associated Press, a non-profit news agency which uses its national network of more than 4,000 reporters on election night to record the vote tallies from county clerks and other local officials. The AP also gathers information from state websites that post election returns. Reporters feed that information back to AP's vote counting operation, where analysts make decisions about which races are ready to be called ..... AP reporters across the country phone the results to data entry people in specially set up election centers where they are entered into an electronic system.

Thousands of people, making thousands of contacts, all manually submitting it back to the AP at a central location where the AP than tabulates all the data.

How we count the vote | AP

Frequently asked questions on how the vote is counted in US elections answered. Discover more from AP and our vote counting service here.

www.ap.org

S&W Fan · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
Lots and lots of labor.

For example here's how the AP does it for their calls:

Votes are tabulated county by county by the Associated Press, a non-profit news agency which uses its national network of more than 4,000 reporters on election night to record the vote tallies from county clerks and other local officials. The AP also gathers information from state websites that post election returns. Reporters feed that information back to AP's vote counting operation, where analysts make decisions about which races are ready to be called ..... AP reporters across the country phone the results to data entry people in specially set up election centers where they are entered into an electronic system.

Thousands of people, making thousands of contacts, all manually submitting it back to the AP at a central location where the AP than tabulates all the data.

How we count the vote | AP

Frequently asked questions on how the vote is counted in US elections answered. Discover more from AP and our vote counting service here.

www.ap.org

Yeah ok. In this day and age they still use what in essence is a Phone tree. Riiiiight

wanna buy a bridge?

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

Jmac00 said:
I would think having an actual motherboard with the LE-910 on it would be evidence enough?

Except that it's not.

Example; Your car having SiriusXM radio hardware in your car as part of it's design doesn't actually mean you subscribe to and use SiriusXM radio. Just because the hardware is physically present doesn't mean it is active or used.

I explained previously why manufacturers do this, but in quick summary - in a lot of cases it's cheaper to put in unused hardware and do a software disable than to change the PCB component layout, reconfigure machinery, have manufacturing downtime, resubmit to for design change approval with the govt. if necessary, etc.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

S&W Fan said:
Yeah ok. In this day and age they still use what in essence is a Phone tree. Riiiiight
wanna buy a bridge?

The AP publicly share how they count. This process involves thousands of people from different political parties with differing opinions. Surely if they were doing it another way, *someone* in one of the thousands of counties across the country (more of them are red than blue) would say something and dispute it. This hasn't happened. So either either thousands of people across the country with different political leanings are all in a giant conspiracy with many of them actively working against their own desired candidate to help the AP falsify vote reporting -OR- the AP is following the process that it publicly posted.

Yeah, I'm going with the AP is following it's documented process on this one.

Defilade · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
The AP publicly share how they count. This process involves thousands of people from different political parties with differing opinions. Surely if they were doing it another way, *someone* in one of the thousands of counties across the country (more of them are red than blue) would say something and dispute it. This hasn't happened. So either either thousands of people across the country with different political leanings are all in a giant conspiracy with many of them actively working against their own desired candidate to help the AP falsify vote reporting -OR- the AP is following the process that it publicly posted.

Yeah, I'm going with the AP is following it's documented process on this one.

Dude the shit gets updated in seconds.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

Defilade said:
Dude the shit gets updated in seconds.

Yep. That's how thousands of people providing data to the tabulation centers works. The reporters are contacting local precincts, getting the numbers, than passing them on to the tabulation center. It then gets updated.

How long would it take you to call someone, get information, and pass it on to someone else who keys it into a system? Not long at all.

If those people aren't doing that, then why have none of the thousands of people that the AP claims are doing that said anything?

Defilade · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
Yep. That's how thousands of people providing data to the tabulation centers works. The reporters are contacting local precincts, getting the numbers, than passing them on to the tabulation center. It then gets updated.

How long would it take you to call someone, get information, and pass it on to someone else who keys it into a system? Not long at all.

If those people aren't doing that, then why have none of the thousands of people that the AP claims are doing that said anything?

Do you have any clue how many sites, videos, media has been suppressed for exposing the truth? You can't count that high! Stay off of Big mainstream, big money bullshit selling the cattle an agenda. It has no credibility!

spat · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
The claim was never that they didn't have the hardware capability, not sure where you're getting that from. The claim was that they weren't connected to the Internet. Those aren't even remotely the same thing as I've previously outlined.

From the article: "For months the companies behind the computer voting systems claimed their computers did not have internet access."

Unless it's shown that the connection was provisioned and active (or that they were wired in at some point in-service, etc), the companies statements are correct.

What you are suggesting requires trust in the company that they aren’t lying about this.

That trust is in very short supply.

It's also unreasonable to ask the American people to "just trust us" over the integrity of our elections.

We deserve a process with demonstrable security.

If the election had gone the other way, do you think the people who spent 4 years claiming Hillary was cheated in 2016 would have accepted it ?

If Biden was way ahead, then suddenly in the middle of the night hundreds of thousands of Trump votes were entered in areas where the Democrat poll watchers were unable to effectively monitor the process ?

No, they would not have trusted that at all, nor should they. The next day every 3rd word out of the talking heads would have been "Russia".

The American people deserve a transparent, secure, and trustworthy election process, and they cannot be expected to accept the results of anything less.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

spat said:
What you are suggesting requires trust in the company that they aren’t lying about this.

That trust is in very short supply.

I'm not proposing blind trust. I was simply pointing out that the capacity for a device to connect to the Internet is not the same thing as actually being connected to the Internet. Nothing more, nothing less.

That being said, because that capacity does exist, I think a proper subpoena to the cellular data providers to see of the SIMs in the devices were active or not, and if they were active any information about the activity provided, should be done. At that point you'd have an idea if these devices were actually connected online or not.

spat said:
It's also unreasonable to ask the American people to "just trust us" over the integrity of our elections.

We deserve a process with demonstrable security.

Agreed 100%.

spat said:
If the election had gone the other way, do you think the people who spent 4 years claiming Hillary was cheated in 2016 would have accepted it ?

No, but those people are looneys. Same people different party.

spat said:
If Biden was way ahead, then suddenly in the middle of the night hundreds of thousands of Trump votes were entered in areas where the Democrat poll watchers were unable to effectively monitor the process ?

Unless there was something I missed, that didn't happen to Trump though. In fact in court Trumps lawyers even said people on his side were present when asked by the judge.

spat said:
The American people deserve a transparent, secure, and trustworthy election process, and they cannot be expected to accept the results of anything less.

Agree, the process does need to be more transparent.

Question I'd ask you - how do we get there?

S&W Fan · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
The AP publicly share how they count. This process involves thousands of people from different political parties with differing opinions. Surely if they were doing it another way, *someone* in one of the thousands of counties across the country (more of them are red than blue) would say something and dispute it. This hasn't happened. So either either thousands of people across the country with different political leanings are all in a giant conspiracy with many of them actively working against their own desired candidate to help the AP falsify vote reporting -OR- the AP is following the process that it publicly posted.

Yeah, I'm going with the AP is following it's documented process on this one.

That’s your prerogative.

Defilade · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
Yep. That's how thousands of people providing data to the tabulation centers works. The reporters are contacting local precincts, getting the numbers, than passing them on to the tabulation center. It then gets updated.

How long would it take you to call someone, get information, and pass it on to someone else who keys it into a system? Not long at all.

If those people aren't doing that, then why have none of the thousands of people that the AP claims are doing that said anything?

See if the AP reports on this gem?

Pennsylvania Agrees to Remove Names of Dead Citizens From Voter Rolls in Settlement Agreement

The State of Pennsylvania agreed to remove the names of deceased people on their voter rolls, an election-integrity watchdog group announced after reaching a settlement agreement in court with Stat…

thedcpatriot.com

kev74 · Apr 12, 2021

Jmac00 said:
I would think having an actual motherboard with the LE-910 on it would be evidence enough?

I would think the communist dems wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail against audits if their guy really did win by such a wide margin.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

Defilade said:
See if the AP reports on this gem?

Pennsylvania Agrees to Remove Names of Dead Citizens From Voter Rolls in Settlement Agreement

The State of Pennsylvania agreed to remove the names of deceased people on their voter rolls, an election-integrity watchdog group announced after reaching a settlement agreement in court with Stat…

thedcpatriot.com

What does the AP reporting on a particular story have to do with them following their posted processes or not? Is there some rule that to follow your own processes you share publicly you now have to have a report posted on every single thing that happens in the US? As long as they are following ethical and proper reporting standards on the stories they do publish, that's enough for me. That's also the same standard I have for other publications as well.

SonOfSun · Apr 12, 2021

kev74 said:
I would think the communist dems wouldn't be fighting tooth and nail against audits if their guy really did win by such a wide margin.

Not a communist, and I think audits are a good idea - no matter who wins.

fresch · Apr 12, 2021

Only the democrats "find" votes every election.

Defilade · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
What does the AP reporting on a particular story have to do with them following their posted processes or not? Is there some rule that to follow your own processes you share publicly you now have to have a report posted on every single thing that happens in the US? As long as they are following ethical and proper reporting standards on the stories they do publish, that's enough for me. That's also the same standard I have for other publications as well.

It makes the likes of you blind to it all. but anyway, The World knows it was a rigged election.

spat · Apr 12, 2021

SonOfSun said:
Unless there was something I missed, that didn't happen to Trump though. In fact in court Trumps lawyers even said people on his side were present when asked by the judge.

Well, Trumps lawyers were arguing that the observers were being prevented from actually observing the process.

IIRC it was a large room and they were required to be so far away that it was impossible to see what was happening.

The judge blocked their argument and basically said "they were present, it doesn't matter that they couldn't see anything".

So, you'll excuse me if I don't take "a judge ruled X" to mean "X is true".

Agree, the process does need to be more transparent.

Question I'd ask you - how do we get there?

Well, for starters we could reinstate the checks and balances that were eliminated for the 2020 election.

After that, maybe require an ID to vote like any civilized country ?

kev74 · Apr 12, 2021

spat said:
Well, Trumps lawyers were arguing that the observers were being prevented from actually observing the process.

IIRC it was a large room and they were required to be so far away that it was impossible to see what was happening.

The judge blocked their argument and basically said "they were present, it doesn't matter that they couldn't see anything".

So, you'll excuse me if I don't take "a judge ruled X" to mean "X is true".

Well, for starters we could reinstate the checks and balances that were eliminated for the 2020 election.

After that, maybe require an ID to vote like any civilized country ?

Perhaps also disqualify votes from any precinct that tallies more votes than voters.

diggs223 · Apr 12, 2021

have a friend works IT for major company, picked up the machines on his phone while waiting to vote

BerettaGuy · Apr 12, 2021

Jmac00 said:
EXPLOSIVE: Investigators for Attorney DePerno Reportedly Discover Modem Chips Embedded in Michigan Voting System Computer Motherboards | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Friday’s release by Attorney Matthew DePerno on his ongoing election fraud investigation was explosive.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

FACT CHECK ALERT! FAKE NEWS!
There wasn't a modem found on the motherboards.
The chips are Cell Phone Chips
The LE910 series of Cat. 1 modules are optimized for LTE low category networks and are available in single mode and 3G/2G fallback options. In addition to VoLTE support, the LE910Cat.1 series are swappable with other modules in the xE910 family.

BREAKING: Modem chip found on Michigan voting machine Mother board

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