Florida sergeant demoted after taking 5,000 rounds of ammo

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Let him use UPS like the rest of us.
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That was pretty nice of them not to arrest him for stealing all that ammo. I wonder if they let him keep it too??
 
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he didn't take anything ,, it was given to him from a request ...

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During the training, he asked a supervisor if the agency would issue practice ammunition to employees, and the supervisor told him it would, “within reason and depending on what it is.”

Bingham didn’t request ammunition during that conversation, according to the internal investigation. Later the same day, though, he went to a deputy who had access to the ammunition room with a request for more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition of various calibers. When the deputy called in a corporal, Bingham said the supervisor he spoke with earlier had already approved the request.

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it was the Deputy's fault
 
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GOPerfect said:
He did not steal this ammo. He asked a supervisor, and he was given permission to take some ammo for training.
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From the article...

"During the training, he asked a supervisor if the agency would issue practice ammunition to employees, and the supervisor told him it would, “within reason and depending on what it is.”"

"Bingham didn’t request ammunition during that conversation, according to the internal investigation. Later the same day, though, he went to a deputy who had access to the ammunition room with a request for more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition of various calibers. When the deputy called in a corporal, Bingham said the supervisor he spoke with earlier had already approved the request."

So, he asked a general question if practice ammo would be issued, but didn't directly ask for ammo. Then he lied and said he was given permission and that the ammo distribution was approved.

I'm pretty sure obtaining the ammo without permission and through fraudulent means as stated in the article is theft. If it wasn't, there would be no reason for disciplinary action.
 
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kev74 said:
From the article...

"During the training, he asked a supervisor if the agency would issue practice ammunition to employees, and the supervisor told him it would, “within reason and depending on what it is.”"

"Bingham didn’t request ammunition during that conversation, according to the internal investigation. Later the same day, though, he went to a deputy who had access to the ammunition room with a request for more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition of various calibers. When the deputy called in a corporal, Bingham said the supervisor he spoke with earlier had already approved the request."

So, he asked a general question if practice ammo would be issued, but didn't directly ask for ammo. Then he lied and said he was given permission and that the ammo distribution was approved.

I'm pretty sure obtaining the ammo without permission and through fraudulent means as stated in the article is theft. If it wasn't, there would be no reason for disciplinary action.
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Within my department, there is no formal form to fill out to take ammo for practice.

You ask if ammo is available, if the answer is yes, you take some ammo.

This man asked a supervisor, supervisor said yes. Officer went to the range guys and told the truth... He was told yes. No theft.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Within my department, there is no formal form to fill out to take ammo for practice.

You ask if ammo is available, if the answer is yes, you take some ammo.

This man asked a supervisor, supervisor said yes. Officer went to the range guys and told the truth... He was told yes. No theft.
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Then what did he get disciplined for?

It seems as if while he did ask a general question about the availability of ammo, he didn't get approval. Then he lied and said he had approval in order to obtain the ammo.

Just a guess on my part based on a poorly written article, though.
 
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kev74 said:
Then what did he get disciplined for?

It seems as if while he did ask a general question about the availability of ammo, he didn't get approval. Then he lied and said he had approval in order to obtain the ammo.

Just a guess on my part based on a poorly written article, though.
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My guess is that he did not fill out appropriate paperwork or do an official request. The amount that he took was more than likely, not what his supervisor intended. He probably did not fight the discipline because he knew he was wrong!

If they gave us ammo, it is usually a couple of boxes and only for the duty pistol.
 
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Grant theft of government property. Isn't that a felony that would get anyone else fired and jail time?
 
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Thinking about this I would only be pissed at the guy if he took it to resell it. If for personal use on private land then fine. If a few friends and family joined in then fine. But not for personal profit. No different than a few MREs to feed the family during hard times. We're about 50% hard times. I don't like it. I certainly understand the circumstances.
 
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