Gun bills sent to Governor

The reaction from the criminals and gang bangers...

Someone let me know when I'm an unconvicted felon......again.

gunpoliticsny said:

The following bills have been sent to the Governor:



A-6522, Amends the definition of disguised gun to include certain guns that are designed and intended to appear to be a toy gun

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Awesome. Cerakote, plating and color case hardening will now be illegal if it didnt come that way from the factory. So glad they made an exception for the fudds and their camo turkey guns.
How many people have been killed in the last year from painted guns? Is there even a statistic available?

S13 & S14 take effect 180 after signature of the governor. It looks like June 1st-ish (depending upon actual signature date) will be the deadline on purchasing/owning/milling unfinished lower receivers (currently paper weights) and serializing to remain legal.

Cavalry said:

Awesome. Cerakote, plating and color case hardening will now be illegal if it didnt come that way from the factory. So glad they made an exception for the fudds and their camo turkey guns.
How many people have been killed in the last year from painted guns? Is there even a statistic available?

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Not quite. If you do not decorate/color/paint a firearm with the intention of selling it, the statute does not pertain to you.

8. ANY PERSON, DEALER, FIRM, PARTNERSHIP OR CORPORATION WHO INTEN-
TIONALLY DESIGNS OR TRANSFORMS A RIFLE, PISTOL, SHOTGUN OR MACHINE-GUN
TO RESEMBLE A TOY GUN BY EITHER ALTERING OR CONCEALING THE ORIGINAL
COLOR OR SURFACE OF THE GUN WITH THE PURPOSE OF SELLING SUCH WEAPON IS
GUILTY OF A CLASS D FELONY.

Phazer said:

Not quite. If you do not decorate/color/paint a firearm with the intention of selling it, the statute does not pertain to you.

8. ANY PERSON, DEALER, FIRM, PARTNERSHIP OR CORPORATION WHO INTEN-
TIONALLY DESIGNS OR TRANSFORMS A RIFLE, PISTOL, SHOTGUN OR MACHINE-GUN
TO RESEMBLE A TOY GUN BY EITHER ALTERING OR CONCEALING THE ORIGINAL
COLOR OR SURFACE OF THE GUN WITH THE PURPOSE OF SELLING SUCH WEAPON IS
GUILTY OF A CLASS D FELONY.

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So.... If you're a professional video game player and you paint your Glock to look like the Duck Hunt controller - a tool you use for work - it's legal, right?

kev74 said:

So.... If you're a professional video game player and you paint your Glock to look like the Duck Hunt controller - a tool you use for work - it's legal, right?

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Sure.

Just don't use it loaded to take out bird sprites on your expensive OLED monitor.

This is a law in search of a problem.

Upon what overwhelming societal problem was this "disguised gun" law developed? Had there been a drastic rise in crimes committed with purple or orange painted pistols?

Does this mean we get all stainless Glocks in NY?

drowhawk said:

Does this mean we get all stainless Glocks in NY?

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Is there such an animal? I'd be interested.

MikeGrad said:

so now anyone with an 80% receiver in their possession is a felon?

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The 80% law doesn't go into effect for 120 days after signing. After that there is a 6 month grace period that allows you to turn in your unfinished receivers to the police, or get them serialized. This law and the ghost gun law appear to allow you complete them and serialize them yourself as long as you meet the Federal requirements for marking a gun (size, depth, etc). Failing all that, it's a Class A Misdemeanor for simple possession, not a felony.

Because these laws are so poorly written, it's questionable if an unfinished receiver can be serialized to meet the requirements of the law. Best bet is to complete it sufficiently that ATF would consider it a functional receiver. On an 80%, that's usually not much work.

I don't think their definition of an unfinished frame or receiver would include demilled / cut-up receivers. Although such parts could be welded back together to make a gun, they could also be assembled into a dummy/display gun. This is sort of like an AR-15 lower that could be used to build an assault weapon, but could also be used for a legal semi auto. I don't think it was their intention to turn the VFW's, museums, and everyone else with a dummy gun into a criminal. It should be okay to possess - provided you don't show any intention to assemble a working gun from those parts.

Phazer said:

Is there such an animal? I'd be interested.

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I guess I meant the slides. If they're treating the metal with some kind of finish, it could be a toy!

I am a little confused. Does S-13A, the unfinished receiver act also include stripped AR lowers that are serialized? Looks like it only pertains to 80% lowers but NY is slick with wording a law to keep it open ended.

If it's properly serialized, it's okay.

gunpoliticsny said:

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They do like that "commie sense" line, don't they?

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Looks like the gubernator has a case of fat old man legs.

Im confused. The article makes it sound like lowers are no longer legal even if serialized, unless you're a gunsmith. Is this correct?

It doesn't matter. I will do whatever I want.

I'm not sure what part of the article you are referring to, but my take on it is this:
Completed lower, serialized - OK
Completed lower, not serialized - Not OK. Ghost gun law.
Uncompleted lower, not serialized - Not OK, unless you are a Gunsmith
Uncompleted lower, serialized - Unclear, unless you are a Gunsmith. The definition of Unfinished does not mention serialization. It should have. Because of this, the casual read would say it's not legal. But, the rest of the law goes on to allow serialization of an unfinished lower - presumably to make it legal. It's best to complete any unfinished and serialized lower.

Guys... who cares?! Are you getting your ducks in a row to bend a knee? DO NOT COMPLY!

Read them for yourself. Here are the links:

Pressure cookers are

well, it SUX TO BE YOU GUYS, Im outs here in two week, but you enjoy living in the Peoples Republic of New Yorkistan.

Jmac00 said:

well, it SUX TO BE YOU GUYS, Im outs here in two week, but you enjoy living in the Peoples Republic of New Yorkistan.

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