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PL 265.01 no longer applies to stun guns and is unconstitutional. Anyone want to bet if the democratic majority will pass a law classing stun guns under PL 400? Or a new law prohibiting them anywhere but the home? Seems like a hard thing to own come election season.

Interesting, a recent case out of Manhattan where the prosecutor follows existing New York case law. An inoperable firearm can not be charged as Criminal Possession of a Weapon. https://nypost.com/2019/03/08/charges-dropped-against-lion-king-staffer-who-tried-to-3-d-print-prop-gun/

Have you tried any modules? I am considering the P320 for my NYC premise permit since the modularity might make the one-pistol-per-90-day rule more palatable.

Using this one from Midwest Industries. MI Lightweight One Piece Free Float Handguard M-LOK™ compatible | AR-15 SAFE SPACE | USA. The anti rotation tabs that get in the way of the Gibbz Side charger receiver are those two little tabs stick out in the bottom left. They call that thing a "torque...

You're referring to the anti-rotation tabs. I had to dremel the tabs off of my midwest industries G3 handguard for my SCR + Gibbz Side Charger. I'd take a dremel to it and clean it up with a birchwood casey super black touch up pen.

What is Pelosi doing up there? Is she an elected representative of New York State?

@franklinarmory Any plans on selling the XO-26 now that Delta Level Defense is selling their CT4-2A out here? It would be nice to have two 26 OAL "firearm" AR15 sellers in this state to lend legitimacy to that option.. my understanding is that the XO-26 ATF letter was the first one to really...

Praying.

Provided they actually decide to sell it to us. They're too scared of PL 265 when it comes to all their other rifles (XO-26, straight-groove reformation).

They should make one with no magazine in it and pins drilled into the bottom magazine hole to prevent magazines from being inserted from the bottom. Then you can buy a bunch of 3 round Magneto Speed Minimags MiniMAG and insert them through the side hole in the receiver. This would be NY legal as...

I just used a non-reciprocating GIBBZ MG4 on an SCR build and am not too happy with it. The specs of the Picatinny rail seem off and I can't seem to get my aimpoint (w/ standard mount) to mount on it. This is the only rail I have with this problem so I'm assuming the issue is on Gibbz side. I...

That sounds about right. I wonder if a magwell that prevents inserting any magazines would fall under the letter of the law.

I understand the fixed magazine approach. But the exemption I highlighted states that you can have a rifle with a detachable magazine + all features, as long as that rifle can not accept a magazine over 5 rounds of ammunition. I never heard of anybody bringing this up or creating a compliance...

From NY Penal Law 265: Bolded the relevant portion at the end. If you remove the magazine catch from a semi-automatic rifle, the rifle would be incapable of accepting any magazines, much less magazines which hold over five rounds of ammunition. Thoughts?

That particular photo yes but you could have the barrel device removed + threads capped. That one isn't for sale AFAIK just the only attempt I found to make the Tavor NY Compliant.

As legal as any of the other not-a-pistol grips.

What's everyone stocking up on before Cuomo's goons get sworn in and drive us into the ground this future legislative session? I already bought a couple lowers but I'm wondering if I should take the plunge and acquire an SKS, Tavor with NY-Safe compliant grip, semi-auto 308, etc. Highly leaning...

I don’t believe so. At least according to this article featuring the patriot himself Brooklyn man sticks to his Revolutionary War gun, backed by city law to own without permit - NY Daily News

You could get a flintlock musket without a rifle/shotgun permit. Some guy got the NYPD to back down over it years ago.

The magazine thing is helpful for the licensing division. An alternative is purchasing a 5 round magazine and have the transferring FFL note it down as the capacity on the green NYPD form. If no 5 round magazine exists, you can modify a >5 round magazine and sign a notarized affidavit that...

You are correct he doesn’t seem to have the freedom beaten out of him like the rest of us.

You can own a Mini-14 and probably a Benelli M4 with no pistol grip in NYC. You can also get your rifle/shotgun permit in a few months for a temporary stay as long as you stay on top of the license division.

NYC’s assault weapon ban includes semiautomatic shotguns with pistol grips. Check page 7 of their PDF. https://www1.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/rifle_shotgun_permit_application.pdf

I'd call the license division on that but yea Benelli M4 with no pistol grip & 5 round magazine should be good as long as the Police Commissioner hasn't decided it's an assault weapon.

Yep, I tried to finesse the Handgun section by calling myself in and no dice, that seems to be the hot commodity in this city.

Bolt action/pump should be legal no matter what with a 5 round magazine. You could also get a 10/22 and most semi automatic weapons as long as they are not on the assault weapon ban list. Just call ahead and ask they're fairly helpful on the phone. Make sure you call the license division to...

I wonder if a Jury would believe that an AR Pistol is technically a "pistol"... I doubt the average guy off the street would.

This is uncharted waters in NYC law. It's not a rifle or shotgun because it has no stock so you won't be able to put it on a Rifle/Shotgun permit. It's not pistol because it's over 26 inch OAL. Either you can legally possess it in NYC with no permit/license or it's a felony due to some other...

Ruger PCC 19101 can be registered but you need to find a 5 round Glock magazine.

I'll sell you mine, PM your address.

I have aged out of this range so it doesn't affect me, but a question turned up on Reddit recently regarding if a 19 year old could possess a rifle in NYC legally. The license division's official docs found here say that you must be 21 or over to get a Rifle/Shotgun permit, but after a cruise...

I like mine for the most part. Does anybody else hate how easily the bolt slams forward when it’s locked and the stock is tapped against something? There’s a warning about it in the manual, but it sure is frustrating when it happens during assembly.

Nope, just a guy floating the idea of trying to get one of these registered in NYC... wonder if that dang police commissioner will deem it an assault-weapon

Thanks for clearing that up, a lot of articles got this fact wrong Range Review: Kel-Tec RDB-S Survival Carbine https://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/01/04/keltecs-rdb-s-actually/ The Kel-Tec RDB-S

It's recently come to my attention that the Kel-Tec RDB-S is 24.5 inches long with the stock collapsed and 26.1 with the stock extended.. if a NY Gun Store were to pin this stock in the collapsed position to comply with the SAFE Act does that make it an NFA item? Or does the stock still count...

Is this the new way for our overlords to expedite our permits?

I was mainly worried if New York State considers pistol braces stocks and therefore would class this as a short barreled shotgun

Remington seems to be selling these directly now, are they legal in New York? What about adding a brace from SB-tactical to an existing Mossberg Shockwave?

They have a kit that comes with a 16 inch barrel

Those are good points, I may just lean towards keeping the pistol out of state, I am in the process of applying for a pistol permit but in my county its known to take 12 months.

This is something I noticed as well, this is one of the only kits which puts the charging handle behind the slide and connects it to it via the grooves on the slide. I feel like something like an inverted California Easy Bolt could be engineered to make the firearm bolt action while it is within...

The SAFE act says no semi automatic weapons which can accept a detachable magazine if they have banned features, by using a Glock I'll always have a pistol grip and the RONI has a forward grip/detachable stock. These longer barrels have a hard time cycling with lighter grained ammunition and...

Yep, I'm not planning on going through an FFL for the lower. My understanding is that a Glock lower with a stock and 16 inch barrel should be legal without a pistol permit while an AR lower with no stock and configured under 26 inches would require a pistol permit. Does anybody know any other...

Interesting, what if it were in a Mechtech Kit with a pistol brace and over 26 inches? Would that be transferrable as simply a "firearm"?

That was my understanding too. I could legally build it as a pistol out-of-state, put the carbine upper onto it and since the carbine upper would fall under NY state's definition of a rifle it would no longer be considered a pistol.

The mechtech looks like a great kit, but it has a built in slide. I feel like having to keep a separate slide for use as a pistol along with a built out lower would fall under possessing a handgun without a permit. Thoughts?

Good catch. Though they make a kit which comes with a 16 inch barrel to go the carbine route.

Man that's a nice looking carbine shell, I hear the build quality is solid. My only concern with that is how to make it bolt action for SAFE compliance.

Not a bad option, I was considering that or the new Ruger PC Carbine but I figured one built on a Glock base would be more versatile as it could be converted to a pistol when outside of the state.

I found this on reddit in the search for fixed mag solutions, probably wouldn't work on a Glock without drilling a hole in the pistol grip but an interesting concept nonetheless