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Crunched the numbers (Omahamarian.org). Free recoil- typical 7.5 lb. 12 ga. pump, typical 12 ga. 2-3/4" 1 oz. rifled slug @ 1600 fps= 29.7 fpe Typical "High brass" 1-1/4 oz. @ 1330 fps (3-3/4 dram equivalent)= 31 fpe Traditional/typical 12 ga. magnum loads: 2-3/4" 1-1/2 oz. @ 1260 fps...

As Al would say on Happy Days... Uh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh yeh

Absolutely

I'll tell ya, @Robin, what's worked best for me in the fall. You're older than me and take on a greater challenge than me with your black powder arms so...you can leave this at the curb or bring it inside by the wood stove, your choice. I've been most successful using the 'lost' call, all day...

I've always had a soft spot for the 16 ga. Plenty of punch with reasonable recoil in a (usually) fairly lightweight upland gun that's a pleasure to carry. Very cool about your 2 flintlocks. What a great challenge. Thanks for the good wishes. Here's a pic of a fall Jake I got, when I...

General discussion is good to a point. I don't expect a lot of pics til this fall. I certainly hope to post one having used the 16 gauge.

Goes a long way towards explaining why I've never shot them. I just don't see any sense in taking a beating anymore. I have some Winchester Super-X turkey loads, 12 ga. 3" 1-7/8 oz. of #5's. Shot a turkey with one in my Browning Maxus, and while a gas-operated semi, only weighs 7 lbs. I swear...

Fixed choke (no choke tubes) it counts

I have a box (of 10) of those that I bought in mid-90's, with 2 oz. of #4 shot. Your 1-3/4 oz. loads were marketed as the "High Velocity" ones. My 2 oz. were the "Magnum" ones.

It's all a matter of personal choice. Winchester-Western introduced their "Double X" magnum shotshells in about 1954, with copper-plated shot (but no shot cups in shotshells, and no plastic shotshells universally until early 1960's). And Western introduced the 12 ga 3" magnum, and the 10 gauge...

I gave that some thought. I'm thinking mid-1980's and older with fixed chokes. This was the time frame when choke tubes were just starting to become popular and available on most shotguns. Bonus points for using 2-3/4" or less non-magnum loads. (2-7/8" for 10 gauge). Bonus points for less...

I know. What a great contribution tho.

Nice! Right after the pilgrims landed?

Helpful hints: See if you can purchase fishing online now. You can print a fishing license to use immediately, while waiting for your backtag, license, tags etc. to show up in the mail. Also get the HuntFishNY app on your phone. Shows your licenses, which is legal proof to show law enforcement.

Ok boys and girls. Gonna start a new thread here to post your turkeys harvested with your vintage shotgun. Don't forget pics!

Need to start a new thread- "Throwback Thanksgiving", using vintage shotguns for turkey hunting.

Really looking forward to it. That and the Browning BXD nickel plated 6's closest I could get to turkey loads for a 16 ga.

You betcha

Some stuff sez that

Wake me up when SCOTUS rules ALL licenses and permits to keep and bear arms are unconstitutional, AND all arms are protected by 2A.

Hey @Kent Goldings- get on the list https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010926078

My wife and I use a snow sled too. Great invention.

Looks 1960's retro

Score! Full case of 16 gauge Fiocchi Golden Pheasant. Nickel plated #5 shot. My Holy Grail. Edit: Assembled in the USA

Just an FYI tidbit thrown in here- Runnings will allow online ammo purchases from NY, IF you choose ship to store. Gander used to have the same (post- SAFE Act) policy.

Yeh, my guess is '9/1' is for the start of the License year, and 1/31 is the last day anywhere in NYS that you could possibly legally use it to tag an antlerless deer.

Ok. Wife and I ordered. She got 1 doe permit out of 2 tries for 7A, where we live. I got the same, though I buy the Hunting, Bowhunting, Muzzleloading in addition to the Deer Management Permit (doe permit). So, that's a buck tag, doe tag, either sex tag, and an antlerless tag, of course. I...

Happy Valley's in 6K

Anyone who buys Chinese goods. Edit: I don't recall saying it should be done by Executive fiat.

You, my friend, are one determined individual.

In any organization on earth, you've got the same obstacle. 10% of the people doing 90% of the work.

Excise tax on imported Chinese goods. Use that money to pay them back.

I think...We the People should repeal the 16th Amendment, ratify a balanced budget amendment, and the Federal .gov should live within it's means.

Right. I can hear it now... "I was gonna go, but I'm wicked busy".

Understood. Saddle up, lock and load for kamikaze Antifa offensive. Roger that.

I think they're bluffing, with at best a pair of deuces 10 high. Edit: I typed deuces you sorry piece of spell correcting shit