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I've talked personally with troopers at random places. For the most part they are no different than you or I outside of work, they'll take the time to talk. Every one of them I've talked to don't like what's going on. But they need that paycheck and will roll on you while on the clock.

Finally found autherized courses after more digging. Any of you guys used one these? Upstate Defense Solutions, Worcester Richard Cain, 607-441-6145 Heritage Engraving and Smithing, Otego Walt and Peg Kunkler, 607-988-2667 ............$210 Defender Training, Charleston Jeff Stoliker...

I've got big hands, have a scare in the web next to my thumb from a PPK. Slide ripped me up lol. Last time I shot one of those little shits.

Anyone know who puts on approved courses for Otsego County? Prices?