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And I believe that unicorn farts smell like fresh brownies. Neither of these things have ever happened and we don't know that they would be true.

What ISP is this from again? Once again, ISPs have never done this before, even when they could have.

I'm an idiot. I saw cb and thought ham for some reason.

NN would specifically prohibit paying for priority though. The doctor's surgery data would flow at the same rate and be bottlenecked just like Netflix traffic.

You didn't respond to my questions about a stock trading company or a hospital paying for priority traffic.

And there are multiple satellite providers.

Remind me when this happened before NN?

And the vast majority of people have access to HughesNet or another provider, just like people can go to Target.

Jesus fucking Christ. Neither is Spectrum. People have options, they just don't use them.

@Willjr75 Should Walmart be able to block certain internet traffic as they see fit? Or, should they have to allow everything through, irregardless of what it is?

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say that I run a business that caters to stock traders. I live in East Bumfuck, Kentucky. Now, for my business, I need very quick internet to the stock exchange. I don't need quick internet for anything else. People want to browse NYGunForum.com from...

No ISP has a monopoly. And I get where you're coming from. People should be free to do what they want on the internet. Verizon shouldn't block iloveguns.com. I just don't think that using government as a tool to accomplish that is a valid response.

And you don't think that we're providing access to what some people would consider fake news to fit an agenda?

I have the ability to censor that, just like an ISP, but I won't ;)

Why?

Probably not. But that doesn't mean Spectrum shouldn't be able to control their private business assets.

Because it shouldn't be illegal for the government to tell private companies what speech they have to allow and what they don't. Do you really want the government coming in here and meddling with our website? Should we have to entertain anti-gunners thoughts?

OpenVPN runs on TCP/UDP and can be configured for port 443. To the ISP, it looks like you're just browsing a HTTPS site. Libraries usually get discounted rates and would probably be getting a full package.

I would never argue that we need no regulation whatsoever. What we do need is focused legislation. And that is something that is severely lacking.

Except they already do. You can face fines for not getting licensed to transmit.

Set up a VPN proxy. Now they just see encrypted VPN traffic. Or go to the library to get your information. Or pay your neighbor $10 for WiFi access. Or move. Nobody is forcing you to enter into contract with an ISP.

His point is valid. I should be able to drink the milk straight out of the cow's teat if I want. We can't even buy raw cider from the state fruit! I understand the want for regulation to protect people, but there is a point where it starts to be ridiculous.

:banghead: FFS man, you have options! You really think Spectrum will be throttling or charging for packages if other ISPs in their major markets don't? They'll get hammered if they do. They're not going to be charging the Finger Lakes for packages when they can't do it for Rochester.

My ISP put out a little blurb today regarding NN. "We’ve been asked by many of our customers and people in our community about the recent changes by the FCC to Net Neutrality and what effect that will have on Greenlight Networks. With or without Net Neutrality, Greenlight has and will continue...

Regarding waste from a nuclear power plant.... I would think that discharging radioactive waste into a stream would be infringing on other's rights, no? They have no choice in the matter, which is the exact opposite of this issue we're discussing. People do have a choice. Choose a different...

Ask your history teacher. They probably remember having their mail delivered by some guy on a horse. :D

I know you're young and everything, but these things are called stamps. You put them on the top right of an envelope to pay the carrier to get it to the destination.

You enter into a contract with your ISP, you don't with the power plant company with their waste. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Of course they should have to take them. It's life or death. That's not the case with information. But, any health care provider that would deny life saving first aid will be run out of business faster than the ink would take to dry on the lawsuit. They take an oath, and every practitioner that...

Do you really think that letting the government dictate what services are provided by a business is a good thing? Do you see where this could lead?

Has any ISP actually come out and said that they'll be doing this? Private companies are free to censor though. I can censor you on here, right? You may not like them doing it (and I'd be there with you) but they should be able to do it. The government shouldn't be stopping them.

Technology has moved forward in the past 15 years without NN ;) . DSL connections can go way faster than they used to. I think Frontier offers 6m residential now, which should be enough to watch HD video.

Sure they are. Streaming video only needs about 1.5m. DSL routinely gets 3m.

So, the government should be controlling pricing now? Are you really arguing this?

Once again..... DSL and Satellite are perfectly fine for doing homework and looking for a job.

Go to the library to use the internet for free. If you're going to argue that it is vital, are you also going to argue that housing is vital and should be controlled. Guess what started the home crisis about a decade ago? Banks made bad loans because they were protected by the government. YAY...

I know people that use DSL and cell phone hotspots. To do the vast majority of things, DSL and phone speeds are perfectly fine.

I'd argue that home internet isn't a necessity like electric, so the two aren't comparable. You have plenty of options for internet. Cable (Spectrum, Cox, Comcast, whoever), satellite, phone (AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, whoever), DSL, etc. There are options. Increasing government regulations isn't...

Same here. I dropped TWC/spectrum internet less than a week after it being available. I've got faster speeds and saved $15/mo. No more randomly having to reset my router either.

It was more of a rant about government in general, not specific to NN. You don't see an issue with government picking winners and losers? That is exactly what they have done for decades now. Know why lobbyists have so much influence in politics? It's because government gives money and picks the...

Comcast never throttled Netflix traffic. They just didn't open up peering ports, and they were under no obligation to do so. There is a difference. They didn't just go out and say, "Netflix traffic sucks up all our throughput, let's go ahead and throttle them down to 50%." They said, "Holy crap...

Paying by the MB is already an option. Just get satellite internet. If businesses see an opportunity to make money, they will move in and expand. Look what's happening with Greenlight in Rochester. Spectrum and Frontier were basically the only two choices. Greenlight has been expanding at a...

Yeah, the internet was such a dark place up until 20 months ago. There was no innovation, and it was all just a bunch of rich people that controlled it.... Nobody should be forced to deliver content that they don't agree with. Should you be able to go into Pepsi's headquarters and start...

You have no First Amendment right to use someone else's medium (website,PA system, etc) to disseminate your views.

If they didn't hold this during deer season, I would have went. I plan on attending the next one in January.

I shot it up on the hill. I almost flipped the 4 wheeler going up the hill to get it. Coming back down was easy. I just dragged it back with a rope attached to the ball.

Have you read the text of the bill? Would it actually cover us in NYC, or does it just apply to non-residents?

And, with NN, you'll continue to have the same shit service you have. It's going to cost small ISPs too much and they won't be able to enter the market.

Yup, they can. But, it requires a 2/3rds majority in both legislatures.