1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Met @Shoots100 yesterday. Looked at the 35AR ammo he had. My curiosity is piqued. Anyone else here have info on it?
35AR
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Shoots100
.357 mag
Great meeting and talking with you.
Shot my SAFE act compliant 35 Semi Gunner over the weekend.
My mild loads are putting a 200 grn FTX at 2,200 fps, with no pressure signs and perfect function.
Don't know the accuracy out of the Semi, as I was just function + chrono testing.
The same loads are super accurate in my bolt Gunner.
I'm gonna put a scope on it and see what It'll do this weekend.
I'm hoping the bolt Gunner loads are just as accurate in the semi gunner.
SJC
Shot my SAFE act compliant 35 Semi Gunner over the weekend.
My mild loads are putting a 200 grn FTX at 2,200 fps, with no pressure signs and perfect function.
Don't know the accuracy out of the Semi, as I was just function + chrono testing.
The same loads are super accurate in my bolt Gunner.
I'm gonna put a scope on it and see what It'll do this weekend.
I'm hoping the bolt Gunner loads are just as accurate in the semi gunner.
SJC
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
What length barrel are you using?
Shoots100
.357 mag
16.5" .
I wanted a short barreled mid bore semi auto.
Something easy to transport, use in a blind or close quarter situations that'll stop most things that walk the Earth.
The 35 Gunner fits that to a "T".
SJC
I wanted a short barreled mid bore semi auto.
Something easy to transport, use in a blind or close quarter situations that'll stop most things that walk the Earth.
The 35 Gunner fits that to a "T".
SJC
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
He was using necked up 6.5 Grendel cases.
Shoots100
.357 mag
The 35 Gunner uses either 6.5 grendel or 7.62x39 brass.
The Grendel brass is the easier brass to make Gunner brass with, but I've made a couple of pieces with AK brass, just to see how it works.
The Gunner was designed and conceived by two shooters from NY.
Unfortunately, one of them, Gunner57 passed away earlier this year.
I decided to complete my semi Gunner with the parts I bought two years ago, as a tribute to Gunner57.
There's no plans as I know of to make any more 35 gunner part's.
It was a labor of Love.
There's also a round called the 358 Herrett AR. It's about the same thing as the Gunner, but uses 6.8 SPC brass and 357 Herrett die.
SJC
The Grendel brass is the easier brass to make Gunner brass with, but I've made a couple of pieces with AK brass, just to see how it works.
The Gunner was designed and conceived by two shooters from NY.
Unfortunately, one of them, Gunner57 passed away earlier this year.
I decided to complete my semi Gunner with the parts I bought two years ago, as a tribute to Gunner57.
There's no plans as I know of to make any more 35 gunner part's.
It was a labor of Love.
There's also a round called the 358 Herrett AR. It's about the same thing as the Gunner, but uses 6.8 SPC brass and 357 Herrett die.
SJC
I came very close to buying the .357 version @meketrefe created prior to this forum spinning up. He had someone “likely” to back out, so I called next but then the wait for the final answer dragged on so long I sort of forgot and ended up involved in a divorce that drained my finances for awhile.
I regret missing out but am still slightly weary about totally proprietary wildcat guns. Glad it worked out for you! I’m not sure I’d have been able to handle the brass creation easily.
I regret missing out but am still slightly weary about totally proprietary wildcat guns. Glad it worked out for you! I’m not sure I’d have been able to handle the brass creation easily.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Don't be sad. At some point we will see if there is interest and might do another group/forum project.
You will be first on the list since you didn't make the cut last time.
At the moment the 35 gunner is the most versatile and powerful caliber one can get for an AR in this type of portfolio.
It is very accurate too what was a surprised since we did some changes to take all sort of bullets including 320gr subsonic
for those who went the quiet pistol route.
There are several versions of the same thing but nothing quite the same as this one. The changes I introduced
to the case and chamber were aggressive and uncertain but they performed above all expectations.
It is about the first time my calculations were off and the loads performed over 20% above the estimated top
performers.
I have not been shooting much because no one day goes by that I don't think about my good friend Gunner
who was the empowerment and fuel for this project.
We even had reloaded together some pretty nice whoochie mommas with 200gr ftxs ahead of the deer season.
I am so sad that I don't even feel like talking about the gunner or any other of the new cartrige developments for a while.
But the 35 gunner is here to stay and all who have it can celebrate the inspiration and wisdom our friend Gunner gave us.
Plus they know they can pulverize anything in front of them with a very nice and compact package.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You know how I feel about this. It is so nice of you doing a tribute gun for Terry.
The 35 Gunner will come back to the race tracks with new loads and bullets. Just enjoy every shot for now!
Next time around, I am in! I understand how hard it must be losing such a great friend, but think of this creation as his legacy and honor.
Shoots100
.357 mag
I've been wildcatting for a long time and this is one of the easier cartridges to form.
It's really a one die pass with Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel brass and a little trimming to shorten the OAL.
I usually fire form the brass, but have tested the pre FF brass against the formed brass, and at 50- 100 yards, there's no real big difference in accuracy.
I just formed some gunner brass with some 7.62x39 brass last weekend using .358 147 grn JHP 9mm projos.
While I had to single load them, the 10 rounds fired all shot into a 1" group at 50 yards.
Made some nice brass, but forming with 6.5 grendel brass is way easier and they load from the magazine at the get go.
The 3 different 200 grn FTX loads I tested all shot into a 1" square at 50 yards.
It was pouring out, so I didn't set it out further or get to chrono them either.
The 200 FTX all Fed from the mag and ejected nicely.
Another nice thing is that the same load I use for my Bolt Gunner, also works in my Semi gunner.
One load for my two Gunners.
Now that I got a load dialed in for my semi gunner now , I just need the new thermal scope to arrive, and my 2018 coyote rig will be ready for service.
SJC
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Are you going to shoot a coyote with this load? You Might just chop it in two pieces! lol.
Did you see in the testing we did this created massive cavities so even too much for the deer and mules on the shoulder as it will ruin lots of meat.
for the boiler room is fine and will shoot the lungs and heart through the back door.
I am saying in case you want the fur because will put a full fist hole on the exit I am sure.
Shoots100
.357 mag
My 50 Bmg custom 820 grn HP puts a pretty big hole in them, but my Semi Gunner will be a lot easier carrying around the woods.
I like cartridges that cause massive damage, that's why I was drawn to the 35 Gunner.
I built the Semi Gunner purposely for Night time Coyote Eradication, with Extreme prejudice !
The bigger the hole, the better.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Well, the 35 caliber is as good killer as the 375 but with better ballistics so in the end the 35 has more reach.
Not that it is going to matter that much from a 280gr bullet from either one at the average distance but if you look at a
distance the only way to get that efficiency with reasonable weight is by staying below 375 no matter what.
For whatever BS reason the 35 doesn't make the cut for African game in some countries but a 35 magnum, like the sambar or
REM are capable of harvesting anything walking on this planet and will give more reach (range) due to the superior ballistics
vs. the 416 and 50 caliber (BMG).
I have been thinking about designing and building a new ultramagnum caliber conceived all around a 35 caliber
bullet like this one. This will do anything the 338, 416 and 50 calibers can do and a little more but the idea
is to do it from a standard long action.
Shoots100
.357 mag
I've been using the cutting edge projo's for awhile in my semi auto 50 cal.
The 375's are winning all of the uber long range comps now a days.
Most using solid brass projo's.
You should make Terry proud, and stick with making more Gunner parts to sell to the uninformed shooters looking to buy a 300 BO !
SJC
The 375's are winning all of the uber long range comps now a days.
Most using solid brass projo's.
You should make Terry proud, and stick with making more Gunner parts to sell to the uninformed shooters looking to buy a 300 BO !
SJC
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Like I said anything above 375 doesn't make any sense for any sort of use anymore.
Well, other than the classic use in some pistols, levers, shotguns,etc...
But the versatility and ballistics of the 9mm/35 is hard to match.
Just imagine anything from a 60gr 9mm bullet all the way to a 350gr long range Sputnik and everything in between.
cases and rifling choices galore!
Regarding the gunner I will get back to it some day. I need to digest what happened to our friend and then we will see.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It is a common belief, the larger the caliber the more lethal it is,... well not necessarily.
One conceptual formula in case someone has trouble sleeping and wants to think about it and perhaps quickly fall asleep...LOL...
killing potential = mass / caliber + striking speed * killing factor
Lets say the killing factor is a simple table that ranks(score system) the proper terminal design for each application.
Again, not precise math but a way to reflect in how each variable impacts the outcome.
Sorry to the OP, we might be hijacking your original thread. let us know if this is not the right place to follow up this
chit chat. No harm intended, we are just talking.
One conceptual formula in case someone has trouble sleeping and wants to think about it and perhaps quickly fall asleep...LOL...
killing potential = mass / caliber + striking speed * killing factor
Lets say the killing factor is a simple table that ranks(score system) the proper terminal design for each application.
Again, not precise math but a way to reflect in how each variable impacts the outcome.
Sorry to the OP, we might be hijacking your original thread. let us know if this is not the right place to follow up this
chit chat. No harm intended, we are just talking.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I am trying to overcome my sandness whenever I think about our baby caliber and revive the talk about the awesome 35 gunner.
Everything was ready to hunt this year but God had other plans.
We were going to use the 200 FTX sputniks to pop the deer.
Everything was ready to hunt this year but God had other plans.
We were going to use the 200 FTX sputniks to pop the deer.
Is this about equivalent to the 35 Remmington?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
A bit more power. but yes the same idea and from a 10 rd (30 in free states) AR15 magazines.
Oh more power eh? It really is interesting how things come full circle, with the 35 Remington and .351 WSL being developed for the semi automatics of their day.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
One can pump the 35 rem a bit more with modern brass and modern firearm vs. the old ones.
But yes, regardless, a extremely effective fast killing round.
The 35 and 375 bore are the last two bores that make sense from a ballistic performance stand point.
One can shoot flatter and get more punch on target than with 416, 45 and 50 calibers.
Plus ones enjoys the verstaility of the 35 specially wiht endless options from inexpensive pistol bullets
to high end peformance bullets for all sort of duties but specially hunting any game including big game.
Any plans to make a run of the barrels/bolts? I can't remember what the deal was for reloading dies.
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Not at all. Carry on.
Why don't calibers above .375 make no sense?
The .408 CheyTac for instance was developed to be the ultimate long range cartridge.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sorry, I am talking in compact and short actions for most civilized use not ultramagnums and specialty or military applications including the BMG and its derivates
Well what about the .458 Magnum then?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
In the AR15 anthying larger than 7mm does not make much sense but then again with the 35 calober and faster powders something magical happens. 308, 310, 338 are not great sources given the small portfolio of the ar15.
If ine puts all the possible casings and bullets and output side by side one quickly realizes that one can achieve more with smaller bores or then the 35. Larger bores like 45 and 50 seem great in the short distance but because of their ballistics they drop quickly. Still ok for those seeking that type of deal.
If ine puts all the possible casings and bullets and output side by side one quickly realizes that one can achieve more with smaller bores or then the 35. Larger bores like 45 and 50 seem great in the short distance but because of their ballistics they drop quickly. Still ok for those seeking that type of deal.