my wife was denied her ccw permit today after having to come in front of the judge for rensco. Apparently she has pretty much the worst antingun judge we have in the county. She works for the pba and will even be doing gun events through them in the future for members. Is it similar to the denial for a regulars permit were you only have like 14 days to get a lawyer and file a motion or can you simply try again say 6 months down the road .
Denied ccw
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Did this Anti-Constitution Judge give proper(?) reason? If so, what did he have to say about it?
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
We have the same problem here in Westchester. Nobody seems to "have a need for a concealed firearm."
The problem is: When you have a real need for a concealed defensive firearm, it is too late to have a judge deliver one to you.
Waste no time. Research and hire the best lawyer you can to fight this before time for appealing it expires. Please keep us posted, and good luck.
Didn't know we had a bill of needs in this country. Also didn't know the government was responsible enough to tell us what we do and do not need. Should file suit in federal court the county is violating your Wife's 2A rights.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Rensselaer county? Was it Mc Nally?
Definitely fight it. If you don't, and she decides to try again a while down the line, she will have to check the box that says she has been denied before.
You could always try to see if they will give her one with restrictions. Then, eventually she can try and have them removed.
You could always try to see if they will give her one with restrictions. Then, eventually she can try and have them removed.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm confused here. Does she already have her pistol permit and she is just trying to have her restrictions lifted?
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
You clearly do not live downstate with the rest of the serfs.
correct, I live in the "ignored" north country with all the undesirables.
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
Lucky you.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
This is the crap the burns me. Who the hell are they to decide on A NEED rather than A RIGHT. Administer the law based on WRITTEN LAW!
I don't get it at all . She's been a nurse 10 years going back to school for her RN with a bachelors graduting June this year . Has never been arrest can own guns and pistols just can't carry even though her work wrote a letter requesting she get it for work .
Doc8404
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Confused.
Does she have her permit, just restricted?
Does she have her permit, just restricted?
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Do you have a Lawyer. I have one but down in Scarsdale NY. Does not hurt to ask questions. Let me know if you want the number.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Damn! He's my judge too. I remember Charles saying to me when I initially picked my permit up, that:
A. You don't have to wait a full year but that they like to see some time between getting your restricted permit and asking to have restrictions lifted.
B. He said McNally likes to see that you have an in depth understanding of article 35 of nys penal law regarding self defense and use of deadly force. Also that you've taken classes on self defense with handguns Etc.. I took that to mean more than just the required safety course.
I don't remember him saying that McNally doesn't lift restrictions or that he required good cause. Idk. I think I'll be calling Charles to ask. I don't want to go through all that just to be denied.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
It may just be worth contacting a lawyer and explaining the situation. You never know, there may be options. I don't remember ever hearing "good cause" being needed here in Rensselaer county, just the wait and the advanced safety course. I would certainly contact the clerk and see what you can find out. Did he say anything else to her that may help explain his reasoning? Did your wife happen to ask what McNally considers good cause? Did she take any other handgun classes besides the advanced course? Did she show understanding of the penal law in her letter? I'm just asking to try and weed out possible reasons for him denying it to her.
Good cause seems to be a new movement...
If orchestrated, then wouldn't that then exhibit an intent by the State to deny Rights? Hmmmm...
If you're game, fight it... Having no need is arbitrary. Requiring additional qualifications by attending classes or anything is an artificial embellishment which of course is arbitrary as well. Can have laws prescribing hamburgers and expecting citizens to give you steak just because that's what you want!
By the way... How does the judge get re-elected if so bad?
All BS!!!
If orchestrated, then wouldn't that then exhibit an intent by the State to deny Rights? Hmmmm...
If you're game, fight it... Having no need is arbitrary. Requiring additional qualifications by attending classes or anything is an artificial embellishment which of course is arbitrary as well. Can have laws prescribing hamburgers and expecting citizens to give you steak just because that's what you want!
By the way... How does the judge get re-elected if so bad?
All BS!!!
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Did she study and know Article 35?
I know I know it shouldn't be needed.
I know I know it shouldn't be needed.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
It would certainly put us in the peruta situation. You can't deny both open and concealed carry. McNally was elected in 2013. Before this I'm pretty sure he was a district attorney for Rensselaer county.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Bs, but shes not alone. Ive had my "unrestricted carry" request denied twice in spite of being a Certified NRA Pistol Instructor, RSO, having 2 other out of state ccw's, and having multiple firearms training classes that cover article 35.
Judges both said i did not establish good cause.
Btw, your original post is mis leading as you say she was denied her permit, so that threw up red flags for everyone.
Perhaps edit the post to make it clear that she was denied unrestricted carry.
Judges both said i did not establish good cause.
Btw, your original post is mis leading as you say she was denied her permit, so that threw up red flags for everyone.
Perhaps edit the post to make it clear that she was denied unrestricted carry.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm curious to know more details, because if she did things in an off way (and I'm not saying she did), perhaps that could have effected the decision. By that I mean, what I remember Charles at the clerks office telling me, was that he is more of an intellectual and likes to see a "Resume" so to speak, of experience (classes, training, Etc.) and that you have a firm understanding of article 35. He mentioned nothing about "good cause". That would have sent chills through me. But also, with the enormous influx of new applicants, it could be things are changing and they are getting ore picky about who gets restrictions lifted.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Rensselaer county?
Celt
.338 Win Mag
No, down state (wastechester). All these antigun, activists in black robes use the same bs to deny us the lawful right to defend ourselves with the most effective tools.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
This need has been backed by Liberal Progressive judges all the way to the second circuit, until 2 new pro 2A judges reach SCOTUS bringing it anywhere other then local is a waste of dollars. The local lawyer for a relatively small fee bets option.