Does Dementia Joe WANT Putin to Nuke Ukraine ?

[CaseHardened]

At first I was going to ask "Should Putin nuke Ukraine ?"

Then I realized that's not it.

The real question is Dementia Joe going to goad Putin into it.

Dementia Joe is desperate for a distraction. And for a reason to postpone or cancel elections, as Zelinsky did.

That's all there is to it.

 

[C3D]

Nukraine? Will it hide the evidence on Burisma?

 

[CaseHardened]

Nukraine? Will it hide the evidence on Burisma?

Sure would.

It will put Joe's incompetence and Hunter's criminal trial on the back burner permanently.

It really is an ideal scenario for the Democrats.

 

[CaseHardened]

Hopefully Putin realizes sending the Nukes guarantees Joe's eternal reign.

Vladimir has to wait it out until Zelensky is forced to fight his own war, which will mean a long overdue negotiated settlement.

 

[ManualF150]

I think Joe Diaper Face wants Putin not only to nuke Ukraine, but the US and Europe just so Diaper Face can waste more of our money and watch us all crawl around like little fucking desperate ants.

Joe's gotta go.

 

[That_FNG]

Good way to eliminate any evidence of wrong doing.

 

[Jmac00]

I voted Yes. But we all know Putin is smarter than the potato. So he won't do it.. Trump will come in and negotiate a truce.

Obama and the OWO will be pissed off, but who cares

 

[spat]

I think he wants Iran to nuke Isreal.

He's even trying to get Europe to let them move their nuclear program forward.

How much do you have to hate civilization to think that helping Iran get nukes is a good idea ?

 

[spat]

I voted Yes. But we all know Putin is smarter than the potato. So he won't do it.. Trump will come in and negotiate a truce.

Obama and the OWO will be pissed off, but who cares

Putin fell into the last trap they set. If he was actually smart he wouldn't have gone into Ukraine at all.

 

[ManualF150]

Putin fell into the last trap they set. If he was actually smart he wouldn't have gone into Ukraine at all.

Putin is strategic. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I'll leave it at that.

 

[spat]

Putin is strategic. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I'll leave it at that.

So, what is he going to get out of this whole fiasco that's worth the loss of half a million prime working age men ?

Demographically this is a disaster for Russia.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

So, what is he going to get out of this whole fiasco that's worth the loss of half a million prime working age men ?

Demographically this is a disaster for Russia.

So, what is he going to get out of this whole fiasco that's worth the loss of half a million prime working age men ?

Demographically this is a disaster for Russia.

Agreed but Russia was darned if they do, and darned if they don't.

We (the west) forced their hand to act. Russia is doing what they feel they need to. They see it as painful now but the decision to not act now would be more painful in the future.

 

[spat]

Agreed but Russia was darned if they do, and darned if they don't.

We (the west) forced their hand to act. Russia is doing what they feel they need to. They see it as painful now but the decision to not act now would be more painful in the future.

They could have sat behind their own borders for 100 years and nothing would have happened.

But, they allowed themselves to get sucked into this quagmire.

Someone (CIA, who knows) set them up, and they fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

They went from being a major player on the world stage to a regional nobody. That was the goal for this whole thing.

When the war ends, their whole economy might collapse. Certainly their military industrial complex is doomed. They don't have enough domestic demand to keep it running, and the international market that supported them wants nothing to do with Russian gear anymore.

 

[Mosinitis]

The idea that one country can rule the entire world is ridiculous. It has no precedent in history and yet this has been the long term goal of the U.S. foreign policy and mental midgets indoctrinated to believe this is some kind of norm and right.

"Rules based order" where we create one set of rules for ourselves and another set or two for others.

Failure to win a series of wars to much weaker opponents like Afghanistan, Vietnam and N. Korea doesn't stop these pathetic owners of the planet. The list is much bigger of lost proxi wars.

The idea that 1200 year old Russia can be placed on its knees, broken up and colonized would be laughable if it wasn't for huge loss of life and suffering these policies caused in the region.

 

[CaseHardened]

I have to admit Russia made a major error in invading when it did.

There has to be a better way to get an upper hand on a demented twerp like Zelensky.

Honestly, Putin should have sat back and carefully planned Zelensky's assassination.

 

[CaseHardened]

This is a mess of Biden's doing. So far he has won.

 

[spat]

The idea that one country can rule the entire world is ridiculous. It has no precedent in history and yet this has been the long term goal of the U.S. foreign policy and mental midgets indoctrinated to believe this is some kind of norm and right.

"Rules based order" where we create one set of rules for ourselves and another set or two for others.

Failure to win a series of wars to much weaker opponents like Afghanistan, Vietnam and N. Korea doesn't stop these pathetic owners of the planet. The list is much bigger of lost proxi wars.

The idea that 1200 year old Russia can be placed on its knees, broken up and colonized would be laughable if it wasn't for huge loss of life and suffering these policies caused in the region.

The Roman and British empires would like a word...

And the dark ages and WWII would also.

Things get real messy when there is a major power shift.

Do you *really* think a China dominated world will be better than a US dominated one ?

The window for Russia to be that guy closed a long time ago.

 

[CaseHardened]

I guarantee you in a century or two there would be no one but ethnic chinese on this planet.

 

[CaseHardened]

The Muslim Uyghur People in China are already nearly extinct, yet the fools ignore them and complain about, not that Chinese orchestrated genocide, but about the Jews.

 

[CaseHardened]

I'm not particularly fond of some Muslims, but many, if not most, like the Uyghur, just wanted to be left alone.

 

[Mosinitis]

The Roman and British empires would like a word...

And the dark ages and WWII would also.

Things get real messy when there is a major power shift.

Do you *really* think a China dominated world will be better than a US dominated one ?

The window for Russia to be that guy closed a long time ago.

None of the Empires you mentioned ruled the whole world, not even most of it. One world order is an American thing.

 

[FP1201]

Agreed but Russia was darned if they do, and darned if they don't.

We (the west) forced their hand to act. Russia is doing what they feel they need to. They see it as painful now but the decision to not act now would be more painful in the future.

I'm stunned that Russia didn't start opening cans of whoop-ass after WE blew up their Pipe Line, not to mention the "sanctions" (they probably don't give a fuck about)...I'm going with them holding out until after the Elections so they can negotiate with sane people.

 

[spat]

None of the Empires you mentioned ruled the whole world, not even most of it. One world order is an American thing.

They also existed for the most part in a much larger world, where it would take a month for an order to reach the edge of the empire.

That was the only effective limit to their size.

And they did rule nearly everything that mattered.

There were regional rulers that didn't answer to them, and they had some rivals, much like the US does today. But, they absolutely exercised effective control over any global scale activity.

 

[Mosinitis]

They also existed for the most part in a much larger world, where it would take a month for an order to reach the edge of the empire.

That was the only effective limit to their size.

And they did rule nearly everything that mattered.

There were regional rulers that didn't answer to them, and they had some rivals, much like the US does today. But, they absolutely exercised effective control over any global scale activity.

Roman Empire was only part of Europe, Middle East and North Africa. China, Persia weren't under their rule. British were all around, but other Empires existed at the same time.

 

[spat]

Roman Empire was only part of Europe, Middle East and North Africa. China, Persia weren't under their rule. British were all around, but other Empires existed at the same time.

Roman empire literally split in half due to communication times.

They literally ruled as large an area as was possible at the time.

It's true that they didn't rule China, it was just too far away given the technology of the time.

But, China and Persia and Sub Sahara Africa were just unimportant at the time.

 

[holdover]

So, what is he going to get out of this whole fiasco that's worth the loss of half a million prime working age men ?

Demographically this is a disaster for Russia.

No its not.

 

[holdover]

I have to admit Russia made a major error in invading when it did.

There has to be a better way to get an upper hand on a demented twerp like Zelensky.

Honestly, Putin should have sat back and carefully planned Zelensky's assassination.

He had to go in before NATO did. Russia wasnt ready for it , but they had to make a move or have American tanks a days drive from Moscow, Us air bases with planes only minutes away. The Russians would have lost the entire black sea fleet and naval bases in Sevastopol and control of the shipping lanes the west figured he was fucked either way . They just didnt know if he would do it or not. For eight years the ukraine built thier defenses increased thier army . the Russian army was unprepared to invade . Putin was jumping up and down screaming for months that if they allowed Ukraine into NATO the Russians were forced to fight for their own national security interests. Zeleinsky told Putin to shut the fuck up and sit down .

Western annalists figured Russia was to weak to invade and probably wouldn't, and if he did , they would fail . This was a major fuck up for the west. Russia is outproducing NATO in arms. thier military is becoming more competent , and by the time this war is over , Russia will be massive military power , and if NATO breaks up the Baltics states are going to pay .

 

[Phazer]

At first I was going to ask "Should Putin nuke Ukraine ?"

Then I realized that's not it.

The real question is Dementia Joe going to goad Putin into it.

Dementia Joe is desperate for a distraction. And for a reason to postpone or cancel elections, as Zelinsky did.

That's all there is to it.

Does it matter?

If Russia uses tactical nuclear weapons, what's NATO going to do? Write a strongly worded letter? Russia won't do much more damage with small nukes than they've already done with relentless bombardment of Ukranian cities.

I don't give a damn about Ukraine. If our DoD wants to send a portion of its budget to Ukraine so that Ukrainians can degrade Russia's military without risking American lives...fine. That's a sound military fiscal strategy. Especially, if we throw our older soon-to-be-retired equipment into that grinder. Seems like it protects us in the long run and sends a message to China regarding how we'd respond to their potential assault on Taiwan.

Ukraine cannot win. They simply do not have the numbers. But, if our Pentagon and Zelinsky want to fight to the last Ukranian... so be it. Screw all of them.

 

[spat]

Does it matter?

If Russia uses tactical nuclear weapons, what's NATO going to do? Write a strongly worded letter? Russia won't do much more damage with small nukes than they've already done with relentless bombardment of Ukranian cities.

I don't give a damn about Ukraine. If our DoD wants to send a portion of its budget to Ukraine so that Ukrainians can degrade Russia's military without risking American lives...fine. That's a sound military fiscal strategy. Especially, if we throw our older soon-to-be-retired equipment into that grinder. Seems like it protects us in the long run and sends a message to China regarding how we'd respond to their potential assault on Taiwan.

Ukraine cannot win. They simply do not have the numbers. But, if our Pentagon and Zelinsky want to fight to the last Ukranian... so be it. Screw all of them.

If Russia uses any nuke, that is an international red line. Nobody will be able to support him.

Especially since he is conducting a war of aggression. It might be excusable if Russia was the one being invaded and their existence was threatened, but it's not.

NATO would likely dismantle the Russian military with conventional forces, at least the parts of it that are in Ukraine.

They might go so far as eliminating the Russian strategic nuclear weapons via stealth strikes with conventional weapons.

 

[holdover]

Putin stated the other day that if NATO invoked article 5, Russia would interpret it as a declaration of war