Full-Auto...Utah Police..damn.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Talk' started by turbobike, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. turbobike

    turbobike 9mm

    83
    125
    53
    Kinda surprised Cops have access to Machine guns...check out at 33 seconds in video

     
  2. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .338 Win Mag Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

    8,378
    8,519
    178
    If you fucked up and can't do the time just kill yourself and save everyone the trouble.
    The full auto burst was effective at least.
    Engagement of fast moving/fleeting targets is one of the main uses of full auto fire afterall.
     
  3. zzrguy

    zzrguy .357 mag First Responder

    522
    390
    78
    Get some!!!!!!
     
  4. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .338 Win Mag Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

    8,378
    8,519
    178
    We need the Get Some Guy to do flyovers over California.
     
  5. GOYABEAN

    GOYABEAN .338 Win Mag

    8,317
    9,508
    178
  6. Uzi

    Uzi 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,786
    1,476
    148
    It's hard to tell exactly what he's holding, but that sound and cyclic rate is distinctive to the mp5 9mm. Nothing surprising about certain police carrying automatic weapons, it's nothing new.

    :ar:
     
  7. Robin

    Robin .308 Win

    4,459
    5,940
    178
    Um, I think he got em.
    robin
     
    Jezman likes this.
  8. gun_slinger_boy

    gun_slinger_boy .223 Rem

    1,337
    1,439
    148
    Yeah it's an mp5.
     
  9. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 .44 mag

    928
    513
    108
    Wait why wouldn't police have access to full auto?
     
    Airborneguy likes this.
  10. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 .44 mag

    928
    513
    108
    Wait you are suprised that cops have full auto?
     
    Dayten likes this.
  11. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    Because it's not that useful for law enforcement situations? Or most military applications either.
     
  12. C3D

    C3D .44 mag

    797
    1,066
    128


    Your hearing is spot on for that. It’s an MP5A2, clearly visible in the last 3 frames of the vid.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 .44 mag

    928
    513
    108
    What does that have to do with anything
     
    ECU Pirates likes this.
  14. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    I guess everyone likes toys.
     
  15. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

    2,536
    3,892
    178
    It obviously worked here.
     
    Edwardteach72 likes this.
  16. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    Semi could have also. Or your favorite.... a shotgun
     
  17. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

    2,536
    3,892
    178
    Blunderbuss, shotgun, same difference. ;)
     
  18. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .338 Win Mag U.S. Military

    9,015
    7,145
    178
    A grenade would have worked too.
     
  19. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .338 Win Mag Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

    8,378
    8,519
    178
    Disagree, particularly on the second point. I advocate for the complete deregulation of full auto guns. That said the usefulness of fully automatic fire is inversely proportional to the legal liabilities of the shooter.
     
    Edwardteach72 likes this.
  20. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    I never said anything about regulation. I'm saying full auto is not that useful for a rifleman (not talking machine gunner in a military setting).
     
  21. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .338 Win Mag Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

    8,378
    8,519
    178
    The modern automatic rifle/carbine allows you to act as an ersatz machinegunner. In a tight spot you can use long bursts to suppress the enemy, or you can use short bursts to increase your hit probability. It offers flexibility that semi automatic only arms lack. There is a reason that military small arms have evolved the way they have, there is a reason for the 5.56x45, 5.45x39 and 5.8x42 and a reason for why they have endured despite constant criticism. It was learned decades ago that the main determining factor in a fire fight is who can get the most lead in the air. Now the civilian shooter requires much more precision. Legal liabilities and constraints in ammo supply demand a greater economy of fire so fully automatic fire is not as important, tactically speaking.
     
    Airborneguy likes this.
  22. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

    2,536
    3,892
    178
    MP5’s are a dream to shoot, even on f/a. They are not hard to control at all.
     
    Doc8404, MilesTeg and Darth like this.
  23. 71velle

    71velle .40 S&W Monthly Shot Winner

    177
    121
    63
    lucky there was not collateral damage.
     
    ECU Pirates and spat like this.
  24. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    That is incorrect. You don't win that way anymore (maybe it worked in the past). Running out of lead projectiles is not the way to win. Machine gunners exist for a reason.

    Don't take my word for it. This guy should know a bit more on the topic:

    Full Auto: Not the Way to Go


    and weight is the main reason for the smaller calibers.
     
  25. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    Nothing would have happened even if there was.
     
  26. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

    1,537
    1,096
    148
    I have no experience with them. 9mm and heavy would make it seem that way!
     
  27. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .338 Win Mag U.S. Military

    9,015
    7,145
    178
    Maybe it's an Army thing? In the Marines we were taught that only the automatic rifleman (Saw Gunner or 240 Gunner) fires automatic for suppression. Everyone else (Rifleman) take well placed shots for maximum hit probability.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2018
    ECU Pirates likes this.
  28. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .338 Win Mag Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

    8,378
    8,519
    178
    Disagree.
     
  29. Robin

    Robin .308 Win

    4,459
    5,940
    178
    Maybe things have changed but a fire team would have one, maybe two guys as designated auto gunners, the rest of course had the option but kept it on semi. There were fire teams with the M60, but without the lighter SAW, riflemen were assigned that role with their M16 in regular fire teams. Rock n' roll hoochy coo!
    Robin
     
  30. swilliams

    swilliams .223 Rem

    1,251
    2,086
    148
    Unfortunately, he also hit a man who had run out of gas on the side of the road, and a truck with four kids in it. No one in the truck was injured. The man was hit in the shoulder and will be fine.

    On a side note, Nephi - where the initial stop happened - is the exit where you get off the highway to get to my dad and stepmom's place. Spanish Fork is where my mom lives. Can you imagine if it had been one of my relatives hit by the rapid fire?
     
Loading...

Share This Page