Full-Auto...Utah Police..damn.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Talk' started by turbobike, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. turbobike

    turbobike .40 S&W

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    Kinda surprised Cops have access to Machine guns...check out at 33 seconds in video

     
  2. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    If you fucked up and can't do the time just kill yourself and save everyone the trouble.
    The full auto burst was effective at least.
    Engagement of fast moving/fleeting targets is one of the main uses of full auto fire afterall.
     
  3. zzrguy

    zzrguy .44 mag First Responder

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    Get some!!!!!!
     
  4. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    We need the Get Some Guy to do flyovers over California.
     
  5. GOYABEAN

    GOYABEAN .450/400 Nitro Ex

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  6. Uzi

    Uzi 6.5 Creedmoor

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    It's hard to tell exactly what he's holding, but that sound and cyclic rate is distinctive to the mp5 9mm. Nothing surprising about certain police carrying automatic weapons, it's nothing new.

    :ar:
     
  7. Robin

    Robin .338 Win Mag

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    Um, I think he got em.
    robin
     
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  8. gun_slinger_boy

    gun_slinger_boy 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Yeah it's an mp5.
     
  9. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Wait why wouldn't police have access to full auto?
     
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  10. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Wait you are suprised that cops have full auto?
     
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  11. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Because it's not that useful for law enforcement situations? Or most military applications either.
     
  12. C3D

    C3D .223 Rem

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    Your hearing is spot on for that. It’s an MP5A2, clearly visible in the last 3 frames of the vid.

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  13. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 6.5 Creedmoor

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    What does that have to do with anything
     
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  14. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    I guess everyone likes toys.
     
  15. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

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    It obviously worked here.
     
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  16. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Semi could have also. Or your favorite.... a shotgun
     
  17. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

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    Blunderbuss, shotgun, same difference. ;)
     
  18. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    A grenade would have worked too.
     
  19. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    Disagree, particularly on the second point. I advocate for the complete deregulation of full auto guns. That said the usefulness of fully automatic fire is inversely proportional to the legal liabilities of the shooter.
     
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  20. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    I never said anything about regulation. I'm saying full auto is not that useful for a rifleman (not talking machine gunner in a military setting).
     
  21. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    The modern automatic rifle/carbine allows you to act as an ersatz machinegunner. In a tight spot you can use long bursts to suppress the enemy, or you can use short bursts to increase your hit probability. It offers flexibility that semi automatic only arms lack. There is a reason that military small arms have evolved the way they have, there is a reason for the 5.56x45, 5.45x39 and 5.8x42 and a reason for why they have endured despite constant criticism. It was learned decades ago that the main determining factor in a fire fight is who can get the most lead in the air. Now the civilian shooter requires much more precision. Legal liabilities and constraints in ammo supply demand a greater economy of fire so fully automatic fire is not as important, tactically speaking.
     
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  22. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

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    MP5’s are a dream to shoot, even on f/a. They are not hard to control at all.
     
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  23. 71velle

    71velle .45 acp Yearly Shot Winner

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    lucky there was not collateral damage.
     
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  24. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    That is incorrect. You don't win that way anymore (maybe it worked in the past). Running out of lead projectiles is not the way to win. Machine gunners exist for a reason.

    Don't take my word for it. This guy should know a bit more on the topic:

    Full Auto: Not the Way to Go


    and weight is the main reason for the smaller calibers.
     
  25. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Nothing would have happened even if there was.
     
  26. ECU Pirates

    ECU Pirates 6.5 Creedmoor

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    I have no experience with them. 9mm and heavy would make it seem that way!
     
  27. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Maybe it's an Army thing? In the Marines we were taught that only the automatic rifleman (Saw Gunner or 240 Gunner) fires automatic for suppression. Everyone else (Rifleman) take well placed shots for maximum hit probability.
     
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  28. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    Disagree.
     
  29. Robin

    Robin .338 Win Mag

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    Maybe things have changed but a fire team would have one, maybe two guys as designated auto gunners, the rest of course had the option but kept it on semi. There were fire teams with the M60, but without the lighter SAW, riflemen were assigned that role with their M16 in regular fire teams. Rock n' roll hoochy coo!
    Robin
     
  30. swilliams

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    Unfortunately, he also hit a man who had run out of gas on the side of the road, and a truck with four kids in it. No one in the truck was injured. The man was hit in the shoulder and will be fine.

    On a side note, Nephi - where the initial stop happened - is the exit where you get off the highway to get to my dad and stepmom's place. Spanish Fork is where my mom lives. Can you imagine if it had been one of my relatives hit by the rapid fire?
     
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