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[Pale Rider]

June/July 2019


Major announcement!!!
You know how much I have missed you guys. In recent months, and even last year, a lot of you wanted me to set up another event somewhere. The issue was that there were not a lot of options that would have suited what was needed to do the event well.

Then, I found a place that would work!
After some considerable discussion and planning, The Ontario Rod and Gun has agreed to play host for our new training event on Wednesday evenings! YES! We are back in action!

This training event will offer you the chance to practice your concealed carry type skills, meet and hang out with some like minded and responsible concealed carriers, and both refine your skills and learn more!

Some evenings will be scenario driven, while others will have a specific skill or a qualification to complete. Every evening of the event will be challenging enough to make you want to shoot twice - or more! We have steel, cardboard, paper.....maybe some moving targets, and a whole lot of other surprises!
Now, here's the important part. I committed for 10 weeks, starting July 10 and running until September 11. We have two weeks after that for 'rain out days' just in case. Last year did not go well financially for the event and although I said that I would start it and run it for the season, I lost my butt on it.


YOU can make this season much better. As I said, I have committed to ten weeks. The condition was that I need to have the funding all upfront for the 10 weeks in order to start. Want to know how YOU can help make this happen? Here you go:
This is a limited time offer to those of you that are serious about this event and want to make it happen. You can pre pay for 10 weeks and I'll discount your costs down so that you end up paying for 8 weeks and you'll get 2 for free!

The rates are going to be as follows: 15.00 per night for drop ins. BUT, you get to shoot as many times as there is room- for that night!!! No extra run fee!
Option one:
If you opt to pre pay, the cost is actually 12.00 per might or 120.00 for 10 nights, and you get 2 free nights. You also get to enjoy the ability to shoot as many times that evening as you wish. No extra charge. You can opt for the FULL SEASON here: https://safeinrochester.com/course/wednesday-ccw-full-season/

https://safeinrochester.com/course/wednesday-ccw-full-season/
Option two:
If you want to start small, you can opt in for a half 'season' at 60.00 for 5 nights. With this package, you'll get one night free. You can choose the HALF Season here: https://safeinrochester.com/course/wednesday-ccw-half-season/

The good thing about pre paying for either the FULL or HALF season? You won't forget to bring cash or have to stop for change! We'll give you a laminated punch card to bring - just keep it in your shooting bag. When you arrive, we'll check you in and punch your card.
Now for the pressure part: If you are interested and you want to make this event happen, do your part and commit now. The more people pre pay and commit, the better chances that the event happens. When we hit the minimum number for baseline costs, we are a go! 14 of you can do it. That's all it will take. FOURTEEN of you can ensure the event starts and goes until the 10 weeks are up.


Other details for the event:
Hours: The first run will be at 330 and then hourly (or as people show up) until close at either sundown or 9pm, whichever come first. Setup will be at 230pm each week. Volunteers to help set up and tear down are always welcome!
If we get rained out, then I will post a note on the FaceBook event page. Everyone else that does not use Facebook can call. The only weather events that will cancel us is HEAVY rain, high winds, or lightning. Other than that, we're shooting!
What you will need:
A handgun in a defensive configuration.
A quality holster (Nothing made by Uncle Mikes, Blackhawk, or anything that is not specifically made for your gun model. Other carry modes can be accepted but check first.
A magazine carrying method
Spare magazines (We suggest 3 at a minimum, 4 or 5 if possible)
Eye and ear protection
Clothing and stable, closed toe footwear for the outdoors
Sunscreen and or bugspray
Of course, if you have a scenario or skill you'd like to work on, all you have to do is let me know.
How will you sign up for each of the evenings?
I am looking into using Practiscore to allow you to sign in, select your time slot, register, and maybe even pay (If you did not opt for the pre paid option)- I will have details very shortly. For now, We will do it 'Old School' where you can email or call me and I'll drop your name on a time slot.


What's next? Use one of the links above and register for either the FULL or HALF season option and that will get the ball rolling!

What questions do YOU have?

 

[Cleck]

Umm, this sounds awesome! I just need to buy a few extra mags and a pouch, lol

 

[Saltwater60]

Damn that sounds like a blast. 1:40 minute drive each way is a bit far for me to make it work. That price is super reasonable as well.

 

[Acer-m14]

1:20min one way from here ..

What questions do YOU have?

"none that you want to hear" .. its from a Movie lol . but does pertain gun laws in FUAC land

sounds like a great event .. hope you do well ..

 

[repete]

Sounds fun and price is good, to bad I work nights.

 

[Cleck]

I'm going as-is, more realistic anyways (no pouch or 5 mags right now), did anyone else end up signing up for this? This is my first actual pistol class/training of any kind

 

[togmaster]

This sounds like a great opportunity for those in the area. I'd be all over this if it were near me.

 

[Blimey]

This is like 20 min from me I should really do it. I have a neighbor who would too.

 

[Edwardteach72]

This is like 20 min from me I should really do it. I have a neighbor who would too.

My good buddy has taken a few one on one training with these guys and has nothing but great things to say about them

 

[spat]

This is like 20 min from me I should really do it. I have a neighbor who would too.

The wife and I've taken a few classes from them, and we went to one of their old events and I can't say enough good stuff about them.

We would have gone more often but we had some scheduling issues.

 

[MilesTeg]

This is like 20 min from me I should really do it. I have a neighbor who would too.

Let me know if you go to a class with them. It's a little drive for me but they are probably the closest ones.

 

[dwa12479]

Dave Jenkins is fantastic. I used to shoot the RDPA event at GCL every Tuesday with RPD. If you have the opportunity, get in on this. You won't be disappointed.

 

[Cleck]

Went, shot like shit, loved it. I tried an ammo I've never shot before, which was my first mistake. Mis-feeds everywhere. Shot better w/ my 1911 but the recoil is more manageable w/ the bigger gun. Need to work on my grip. Bought two magazines today because I realized that carrying 4 mags isn't realistic for edc, but it's the repetition that I'm getting out of it that will help. It was frustrating to do the first drill bc I only had 2 mags/13 rds total, and I needed at least 15 to complete it. I don't even have a baseline for that one. The drill was 1 shot/hit on 1 target/circle, 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, 5 on 5. So yeah, I didn't have enough to do that.

2nd drill was a table drill w/ 2 dummies as buds in front of you, and 5 targets behind them. Middle target on a cart being pulled at you. Practice using them as cover, not flagging them, shot placement, etc. I did that the most because I could dictate who got got.

Great class, can't wait to see what next week brings. Working on a mag holster now.

 

[Blimey]

Went, shot like shit, loved it. I tried an ammo I've never shot before, which was my first mistake. Mis-feeds everywhere. Shot better w/ my 1911 but the recoil is more manageable w/ the bigger gun. Need to work on my grip. Bought two magazines today because I realized that carrying 4 mags isn't realistic for edc, but it's the repetition that I'm getting out of it that will help. It was frustrating to do the first drill bc I only had 2 mags/13 rds total, and I needed at least 15 to complete it. I don't even have a baseline for that one. The drill was 1 shot/hit on 1 target/circle, 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, 5 on 5. So yeah, I didn't have enough to do that.

2nd drill was a table drill w/ 2 dummies as buds in front of you, and 5 targets behind them. Middle target on a cart being pulled at you. Practice using them as cover, not flagging them, shot placement, etc. I did that the most because I could dictate who got got.

Great class, can't wait to see what next week brings. Working on a mag holster now.

Oh, okay I am gonna do this. Gotta figure out when.

 

[Blimey]

What questions do YOU have?

So equipment wise, an OWB holster plus three total mags will be good enough? I'm new to handguns and short on gear. Was going to get some random (but specific to the gun) OWB holster. Probably store the mags in a pocket.

 

[Edwardteach72]

So equipment wise, an OWB holster plus three total mags will be good enough? I'm new to handguns and short on gear. Was going to get some random (but specific to the gun) OWB holster. Probably store the mags in a pocket.

Look for a safariland ALS (or even the GLS) many times they can even be found at local shops if you want something with active retention

 

[Pale Rider]

This is from the RPD website:

Note: As of 4/4/2012, ANY holster that utilizes the index or trigger finger of the shooting hand to disengage a locking device to release the handgun is now disallowed from ANY Rochester Personal Defense, LLC class, training, event, or any function that we host or have involvement with. For more information, please visit the following page: https://www.safeinrochester.com/serpa.php or email us.

 

[Edwardteach72]

This is from the RPD website:

Note: As of 4/4/2012, ANY holster that utilizes the index or trigger finger of the shooting hand to disengage a locking device to release the handgun is now disallowed from ANY Rochester Personal Defense, LLC class, training, event, or any function that we host or have involvement with. For more information, please visit the following page: https://www.safeinrochester.com/serpa.php or email us.

This is directed at serpa holsters.. most places do not allow them at their classes (for good reasons, and yet so many try and act like they are an acceptable holster)

That's why I mentioned the ALS or GLS from safariland. They can be had for all of maybe $10 more than the serpa holsters and are leaps and bounds better in every way

 

[Edwardteach72]

@Blimey the Safariland 578 is the one I was talking about... bonus it will fit multiple guns (I just verified this actually. The one I got for my glocks will also work perfectly with my CZ P-07 even with the RMR)

 

[Blimey]

@Blimey the Safariland 578 is the one I was talking about... bonus it will fit multiple guns (I just verified this actually. The one I got for my glocks will also work perfectly with my CZ P-07 even with the RMR)

Thanks.

Have done a good bit of reading on these. I am not sure the 578 has a glock 34 variant?

The ALS does and is we’ll reviewed. Only negative is some (hopefully older) reports of it wearing down the front sight but I am about ready to pick that one up.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Thanks.

Have done a good bit of reading on these. I am not sure the 578 has a glock 34 variant?

The ALS does and is we’ll reviewed. Only negative is some (hopefully older) reports of it wearing down the front sight but I am about ready to pick that one up.

The one I picked up is the "compact model" so they say it's for the G19 but it's an open bottom design (I prefer that) so it will work just fine with G26 G19 G17 G17L and G34 glocks no problem (and the .40sw and .357sig as they are the same frames) and I have been carrying my G17 in it when I go hunting.

As for the older models I'm not sure about the sight issue but all the new 578 now come with enough room to run suppressor height sights (and an optic cut incase you want to add an RMR or other type red dot) so theh wont contact the sights at all.

I'm at work now but I will try and get some decent pictures later for you if you want.. I have the GLS version because that's all that was at the store at the time but I would have preferred the ALS but that's personal preference and I may change my option now that I see my P07 fits it and plan to get some range time behind it

 

[Edwardteach72]

Sorry @Pale Rider didnt mean to derail the thread and go off on holster selections

 

[Pale Rider]

Sorry @Pale Rider didnt mean to derail the thread and go off on holster selections

No problem. Be my guest. Holster selection is very important.

 

[Cleck]

I asked them about my Safariland for my 1911 and once I explained the unlocking mechanism, they were all good w/ it. I'll be bringing that to my next class so I can do the same type of drills.

Week 2 went way better than the first. I changed the ammo I was shooting and cleaned the gun for the hell of it. It didn't seem that dirty... I ended up shooting way better, didn't have any issues at all. Funny, this week we loaded dummy rounds randomly and did another speed drill and a practical drill using the dummy rounds to simulate issues. Video is not me, but Matt from RPD having a go at the scenario.

 

[Cleck]

Last week's class was an eye-opener. All through the classes I'd done ok in drills in the ~8-10 yard range hitting the paper targets and completing the sims. Last week they had a course set up that kicked my ass. Run up on the right side to a "window" shoot two knockdown targets on the ground. Run up to the left with 2 more windows, shoot 3 plate targets on the left, lean over the the right window, shoot the other 3.

Big drill was a 25y shoot, and I just couldn't do it. Run back (RUN) 25y, hit a torso target 3x, pick up a full ammo can and run up 10y closer, put 3 more in the same spot, pick up and run 10 more yards (now 5y away), finish with 3 on that, 3 more in 3 paper targets, and 1 in another ground knockdown.

I missed every shot from 25, and I missed left or low. After every shot, the instructors noted that my hands kept moving on the gun. They're already scrunched on the small Shield, but the shot would reset them basically. I just couldn't find a way to get a good grip, and they suggested I bring my 1911 this week so I can at least practice proper handgrip mechanics and not worry about the tiny Shield screwing me up. It basically compromised everything from there, including trigger feel/press, etc.

So after talking w/ them and hearing they see this all the time "Small gun easy to conceal, hard to shoot w/ big hands"), I've decided to start looking for a new gun and I think I narrowed it down to a Glock 19 and an M&P Compact 2.0 - both in 9mm

 

[Edwardteach72]

Last week's class was an eye-opener. All through the classes I'd done ok in drills in the ~8-10 yard range hitting the paper targets and completing the sims. Last week they had a course set up that kicked my ass. Run up on the right side to a "window" shoot two knockdown targets on the ground. Run up to the left with 2 more windows, shoot 3 plate targets on the left, lean over the the right window, shoot the other 3.

Big drill was a 25y shoot, and I just couldn't do it. Run back (RUN) 25y, hit a torso target 3x, pick up a full ammo can and run up 10y closer, put 3 more in the same spot, pick up and run 10 more yards (now 5y away), finish with 3 on that, 3 more in 3 paper targets, and 1 in another ground knockdown.

I missed every shot from 25, and I missed left or low. After every shot, the instructors noted that my hands kept moving on the gun. They're already scrunched on the small Shield, but the shot would reset them basically. I just couldn't find a way to get a good grip, and they suggested I bring my 1911 this week so I can at least practice proper handgrip mechanics and not worry about the tiny Shield screwing me up. It basically compromised everything from there, including trigger feel/press, etc.

So after talking w/ them and hearing they see this all the time "Small gun easy to conceal, hard to shoot w/ big hands"), I've decided to start looking for a new gun and I think I narrowed it down to a Glock 19 and an M&P Compact 2.0 - both in 9mm

As frustrating of a day as that sounded like, it sounds like a great day.

This is why people need to get training vs practice, it's one thing to hit a paper place at 7yards standing still, but once you start getting that blood pumping and the mind thinking what and how do we do then? And the only good way to know is training.

So as frustrating as that may have seemed it sounds like you got more out of it than maybe you expected..

As for the guns you are looking into, both good options

 

[Cleck]

As frustrating of a day as that sounded like, it sounds like a great day.

This is why people need to get training vs practice, it's one thing to hit a paper place at 7yards standing still, but once you start getting that blood pumping and the mind thinking what and how do we do then? And the only good way to know is training.

So as frustrating as that may have seemed it sounds like you got more out of it than maybe you expected..

As for the guns you are looking into, both good options

Yes, frustrating for sure, but I definitely learned from the experience. I was frustrated because I always compete against myself, but this wasn't even about being able to compete, this was about being competent at that range, which I don't consider myself to be. Dave ended up saying later that with today's shootings, if you see a guy at 25y, that's a must take and a must hit shot. If I'm gonna take a shot, I don't want to miss and further complicate the situation.

I'm always looking to learn, and I'm glad I learned something here, that's why I am taking the class.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yes, frustrating for sure, but I definitely learned from the experience. I was frustrated because I always compete against myself, but this wasn't even about being able to compete, this was about being competent at that range, which I don't consider myself to be. Dave ended up saying later that with today's shootings, if you see a guy at 25y, that's a must take and a must hit shot. If I'm gonna take a shot, I don't want to miss and further complicate the situation.

I'm always looking to learn, and I'm glad I learned something here, that's why I am taking the class.

I wish I lived closer I would let you try out my G19 with an RMR.

I know people keep hounding on 3 rounds 3 yards 3 seconds or what ever the whole thing is. But things are changing and the need for proficiency out to who knows how far 25? 50? Farther?

 

[Cleck]

Funny you say that about 3x3. I finished the drill at 5 yards, needing 2-3 on a few targets. I was on my last mag, and I knew I had the knockdown target to go, so I put 1 center mass on each target, and used the final 2 on the knockdown, hitting it w/ my last shot. Instructor following me said, "Three rounds on each!" and I responded w/ "Yeah, but I know how many targets I have, and how many rounds I have left."

 

[Edwardteach72]

Funny you say that about 3x3. I finished the drill at 5 yards, needing 2-3 on a few targets. I was on my last mag, and I knew I had the knockdown target to go, so I put 1 center mass on each target, and used the final 2 on the knockdown, hitting it w/ my last shot. Instructor following me said, "Three rounds on each!" and I responded w/ "Yeah, but I know how many targets I have, and how many rounds I have left."

Have to make sure everyone gets dinner first before before people get seconds