Help me to help you....

[Carlos Hathcock]

So I wrote another version of this a couple weeks ago, and couldn't post it as I was having issue logging on from my desktop. Thought I had saved it somewhere but now I can't find it.....or my wife read it and deleted it. So anyway.....

I grew up shooting with my dad, uncle, and grandfather. Couldn't wait for the next time we were headed to gramps cabin because I knew it was a chance to do some plinking with the .22's. Once I got into high school / college, shooting sports fell by the wayside, parents divorced, yada, yada, yada. I got my permit some years ago, did some shooting when I had time, but none of my friends were really into it and I lost interest and time. A couple years ago I ran into a college buddy I had lost touch with for almost 20 years. Turns out he'd been into shooting for quite some time and he's been busy during our time away.

He and his father had always hunted and I always said I wanted to, but never got around to getting my course and license. Now that I had someone to hunt with, I got right on it. My second year hunting and now my buddy and I shoot as often as our schedules allow. I love hunting and look at the fall season through different eyes.

One other thing I never did in my entire life, until recently, was vote....for anything.....ever. I didn't even know what party I should belong to. I never thought my one vote would matter but with crooked Hillary looming, I didn't want to take the chance she'd win by the one vote I never cast. I doubt anyone here would argue the fact that things have changed. I can honestly say I fear for the future, for my wife and son, and for our country. I don't think I'm alone when I say the phrase "from my cold dead hands" is more than just words. I don't think I really put alot of thought to what the 2nd amendment was truly about, but I now realize it's more than just hunters keeping hunting rifles and rednecks blasting old cars to bits.

I know people on here have their own opinions about the NRA and what it does, or has done. I'm not here to debate or get into a pissing match about it. I do however think that changing what we're fed up with has more to do with who we send our money to so they can lobby in Washington, or wherever. I'm in that territory again where I don't want to sit back, hope that those who have our best interests in mind are taking care of things, and we watch and wait to see how it all shakes out. I'm a law abiding, working, taxpaying citizen who doesn't want to watch my way of life and my rights erode from under my feet by those who feel just because they don't "like or believe" in what I do gives them the right to change the way I live and take my rights away from me.

The more I pay attention to politicians, and not just Prince Monkeyface, I'm disgusted by how they seem to be allowed to run the country, state, town, burb, whatever, the way they feel and spend taxpayer money without permission or consequence. They force their personal opinions on the masses and do so without a thought of the public good. They don't understand the meaning of "public office".

That being said, I'm looking for a couple things out of this.

1. If the NRA isn't the answer to help gun owners, then who is. I'm talking on the sate and national levels.
2. While I hate all politicians in general, I wan to do what I can to stop the Libocrats from doing any more damage than they already have.

Like most of you, I don't have a ton of money to spend on this, nor a ton of time. I do want to do something. You can call it misguided anger or whatever but I want to do something. I also want to see others on here do something too. I'm not saying you need to go blasting up an ANTIFA rally but at minimum, case a vote for the lesser of the evils. Don't site in the easy chair on the smart phone and months or years from now wish you could've done something to save your rights and you way of life. Help me to help you.

 

[GOPerfect]

Nice write up.

As for the NRA... I want to support them, I really do. So many of us, especially in NY feel that they turned their backs on us back in 2013. That is a big reason for some of the non-support.

If they are the answer, they really need to start stepping it up more and more. Stop paying their employees so much and use that more, much of which comes from the members, and start fighting hard.

I do not know the answer, I wish I did. Yeah, we could start again the write to politicians thing, but that really does not work. I would love to run for Congress, the deck is really stacked against the outsider.

I used to think that voting the correct candidate in was the answer but time after time, they fall flat. They forget quickly why they were hired.

 

[Kwalsh]

If anybody can come up with the answer then count me in

 

[Jmac00]

1. If the NRA isn't the answer to help gun owners, then who is. I'm talking on the state and national levels.
2. While I hate all politicians in general, I want to do what I can to stop the Libocrats from doing any more damage than they already have.

Like most of you, I don't have a ton of money to spend on this, nor a ton of time. I do want to do something. You can call it misguided anger or whatever but I want to do something. I also want to see others on here do something too. I'm not saying you need to go blasting up an ANTIFA rally but at a minimum, case a vote for the lesser of the evils. Don't sit in the easy chair on the smartphone and months or years from now wish you could've done something to save your rights and your way of life. Help me to help you.

Gun Owners of America. Hardcore, no compromise pro-2A group

you AND EVERY PRO 2A person must get to the polls in November and vote out anyone that is not pro-2A, get rid of all the RINO'S

But we MUST GET TO THE POLLS,

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have realized that voting, writing letters, donating 50 bucks a year to any organization (not just the NRA), making phone calls, meeting with local politicians, trying to educate people on the Constitution, protesting, ect will accomplish absolutely nothing at this point.

So what's my answer? What can we do? You just have to take it. Game over. They've won. The government has gotten too big for any of the above to work. Politicians are in it for themselves. They don't care about the people they represent. They crave power and when they get it, they can't let it go. And why should they? There are no term limits. If there were, we wouldn't be having this problem. As someone else here once stated, "It was the one thing that the Founding Fathers overlooked. It was their greatest fallacy." You cannot have faith in the courts either. Anyone with half a brain can see that they are compromised and make rulings based on party lines. That goes from local Circuit Courts all the way up to the Supreme Court.

So other than armed insurrection to take back the government (Which I don't think will ever happen for gun rights.), there is really nothing you can do but take it.

Some may say that I have given up. That's true. It's not due to being a coward or a pussy. It's due to being a realist. Armed Insurrection is the only thing that can fix this country at this point. Many think it's possible. Many are angry enough to think that they would do it. But what they don't know is who their targets will be. In their heads they just know that they want to take up arms. That's it. But what they don't realize is that an Armed Insurrection will only work if those protecting the government are exterminated. That includes all Secret Service Agents protecting the government and any police that respond.

People are stupid. They don't realize who they have to fight to take the government back. Most think that fighting a bunch of teenagers and college students will do the trick.

So in short, nothing other than storming government buildings and taking out every single law enforcement officer or agent that doesn't stand aside will accomplish anything. I don't think today's American is willing to do that. Not when they have kids to feed and have to kill others who also have kids to feed.

 

[Twogunwilly]

The Second amendment foundation, they win the big cases and your donations are tax deductible.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

I have realized that voting, writing letters, donating 50 bucks a year to any organization (not just the NRA), making phone calls, meeting with local politicians, trying to educate people on the Constitution, protesting, ect will accomplish absolutely nothing at this point.

So what's my answer? What can we do? You just have to take it. Game over. They've won. The government has gotten too big for any of the above to work. Politicians are in it for themselves. They don't care about the people they represent. They crave power and when they get it, they can't let it go. And why should they? There are no term limits. If there were, we wouldn't be having this problem. As someone else here once stated, "It was the one thing that the Founding Fathers overlooked. It was their greatest fallacy." You cannot have faith in the courts either. Anyone with half a brain can see that they are compromised and make rulings based on party lines. That goes from local Circuit Courts all the way up to the Supreme Court.

So other than armed insurrection to take back the government (Which I don't think will ever happen for gun rights.), there is really nothing you can do but take it.

Some may say that I have given up. That's true. It's not due to being a coward or a pussy. It's due to being a realist. Armed Insurrection is the only thing that can fix this country at this point. Many think it's possible. Many are angry enough to think that they would do it. But what they don't know is who their targets will be. In their heads they just know that they want to take up arms. That's it. But what they don't realize is that an Armed Insurrection will only work if those protecting the government are exterminated. That includes all Secret Service Agents protecting the government and any police that respond.

People are stupid. They don't realize who they have to fight to take the government back. Most think that fighting a bunch of teenagers and college students will do the trick.

So in short, nothing other than storming government buildings and taking out every single law enforcement officer or agent that doesn't stand aside will accomplish anything. I don't think today's American is willing to do that. Not when they have kids to feed and have to kill others who also have kids to feed.

And if we continue to do nothing none of us will have our lives or children to feed. See Rhodesia and South Africa... Obviously no one wants to have to attack the government and those who will be tasked with protecting it but when push comes to shove I'd rather give my life trying to fight to save our country for the future than allow it to just crumble because of who the enemy might be.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And if we continue to do nothing none of us will have our lives or children to feed. See Rhodesia and South Africa... Obviously no one wants to have to attack the government and those who will be tasked with protecting it but when push comes to shove I'd rather give my life trying to fight to save our country for the future than allow it to just crumble because of who the enemy might be.

Right. So what will you do? I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I've asked myself this same question. My answer is nothing. I'm honest enough to say it. I'm too small to take up something of that magnitude by myself. And I don't mean physically. Something of that magnitude takes someone that's powerful enough to get people together without the Government knowing (which in today's high tech world is almost impossible) and rich enough to finance it.

10 angry guys from the neighborhood isn't going to cut it. You'd need thousands. And you'd have to do it before the government gets wind of it.

 

[freddy]

Someone posted an article that explained the main thrust of the NRA is not lobbying. Rather is is mobilizing voters. The NRA politician grading system helps voters select the people most probable to help 2a rights.

 

[freddy]

...that and; KEEP YER POWDER DRY!

 

[Marine Cpl]

...that and; KEEP YER POWDER DRY!

For what exactly?

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Right. So what will you do? I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I've asked myself this same question. My answer is nothing. I'm honest enough to say it. I'm too small to take up something of that magnitude by myself. And I don't mean physically. Something of that magnitude takes someone that's powerful enough to get people together without the Government knowing (which in today's high tech world is almost impossible) and rich enough to finance it.

10 angry guys from the neighborhood isn't going to cut it. You'd need thousands. And you'd have to do it before the government gets wind of it.

There are ways to organize without relying on tech that makes it easy to survey and counter a movement like this. Obviously it's not just something a few can accomplish but it's possible if we intelligently organize ourselves without becoming too well known.

You did raise the largest issue however... Funding.

 

[Marine Cpl]

There are ways to organize without relying on tech that makes it easy to survey and counter a movement like this. Obviously it's not just something a few can accomplish but it's possible if we intelligently organize ourselves without becoming too well known.

You did raise the largest issue however... Funding.

Yep. And if somehow you did it, you have to hold it. The government is bigger than we think. There are underground elements designed to take it back.

 

[Dinkus the Stinkus]

Yep. And if somehow you did it, you have to now have to hold it. The government is bigger than we think. There are underground elements designed to take it back.

That's the thing once something like that happens you quickly find out who is loyal to the government and who is just there for the job/money/whatever. People may not continue to support a government that is being removed by the citizens and they may support those citizens who have control of the government. Hard to say how it could go and it obviously won't be easy and there will be loss of life on all sides.

It might begin as us against the police/military however if we were to gain control of the government would those same soldiers and officers continue to side with a government they may not even agree with but obey because of the paycheck they receive?

 

[freddy]

For what exactly?

Nothing. Just teasing member 94coal who likes to state that.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's the thing once something like that happens you quickly find out who is loyal to the government and who is just there for the job/money/whatever. People may not continue to support a government that is being removed by the citizens and they may support those citizens who have control of the government. Hard to say how it could go and it obviously won't be easy and there will be loss of life on all sides.

It might begin as us against the police/military however if we were to gain control of the government would those same soldiers and officers continue to side with a government they may not even agree with but obey because of the paycheck they receive?

We don't know how many would but many will if given promises. I mean look at the police chiefs and superintendents who aren't elected but rather appointed unlike sheriff's. Look at the directors of the FBI and other agencies. They do what they do due to promises. All of them are anti-gun. Every single one of them.

The rank and file might be different but if offered similar things, many will cave. They do it now for pensions and pay enforcing unconstitutional gun laws.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nothing. Just teasing member 94coal who likes to state that.

Yep. Many know not what they say.

 

[Criticalt]

Maybe the only answer is to let the country go to hell, then see whats left after.

 

[livingston]

"In the larger sense, however, the personal ownership of firearms is only secondarily a matter of defense against the criminal. Note the following from Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."
Quotations of Jeff Cooper
Quotations of Jeff Cooper | Buckeye Firearms Association

We have come very close to having a coup d'état A in this country. Hopefully some very major players will go to jail ... I have posted many articles about this .. and will continue to do so. A few folks have voiced displeasure with this practice and wished it was almost 100 percent about guns .
The NRA is a political force . Right now it is a lightning rod for the left. IF it falls .. goes into the dustbin of history .... Just where would we stand on gun rights in this country. ... We wouldn't ... One would dream about how great the safe act was ... One would be lucky to even have the same rights as the British have concerning firearms .
Obama has said his number one goal in his life going forward is community organizing... You saw this come into play with the Hogg kid and planned parenthood offering their services (dealing with organizing ) marches ... This and tens of other "organizations " that wish to disarm America. .. These actions should be a wakeup call for every person that cherishes the 2nd . ... Total disarmament is the goal for the left .. TOTAL..
Voting is important Louise Slaughter won her election 2 elections ago by less than 1000 votes . Down in Penn. this last election no one got the Amish to the polls to vote last week like they did with the trump election. .. That election is what less than 600 votes .
Even something small like seeing that an older housebound neighbor votes could be a large step.