If Proposed Gun Ballot Measures Go Through In California, This Could Be Your Typical Morning
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Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Unreal. Soon to be in a home near you!
No gravity there, just suction!
Cleck
.308 Win
Some probably won't agree with me on this, but I have no problem with locking your guns up in a safe or with a personal lock. I file that under responsible gun ownership. Maybe that's because I have kids or because I have read too many stories of people having their houses broken into and their unsecured guns stolen, but I don't find the possibility of having to lock your guns up to be that bad.
I'm not a fan of the extensive background check or the keeping a list of who bought what and how much ammo though.
I'm not a fan of the extensive background check or the keeping a list of who bought what and how much ammo though.
I've got no issue locking your guns up. I've got issues with the government telling people they must lock up their guns or face jail time. The government shouldn't be legislating responsibility. They have no business telling me how to store my firearms, or knives, or any other potentially deadly weapon.
Cleck
.308 Win
I can agree with that. I guess the other part not mentioned is what happens to you if said unlocked gun gets stolen and used in a crime? If not reported, then you're in trouble. If you report it, then you are definitely in trouble. I guess I'd rather face the consequences of owning an unregistered AR with features than have to answer to a more serious crime involving said rifle.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Disagree. Whats the sense of having a gun for self protection if you stick it in a safe?
I have kids also. They are taught to respect the firearms. It starts at home.
Only way my guns gets stolen is if they take it from me...after am shot or dead which at this point becomes a mute issue.
I have kids also. They are taught to respect the firearms. It starts at home.
Only way my guns gets stolen is if they take it from me...after am shot or dead which at this point becomes a mute issue.
Loren Littlejohn
9mm
Democrats want the government out of the bedroom unless you have a 45 in the night stand. Then they are barging in.
Might have to do something crazy and nearly unheard of in that case and...*gulp* blame the criminal!
If my gun got stolen by a criminal that criminally entered my house and committed a criminal act with it, I can say with a clear conscience that I couldn't care less. I didn't do it, and am exactly 0% responsible.
Cleck
.308 Win
So, you're not responsible for telling the police that your house was broken into and you're now missing a firearm? Got it.
Twingy
.40 S&W
This. I didn't habitually lock up my EDC handgun until I had a kid. Now not even a stray piece of ammo is unsecured. It's got nothing to do with the government mandating that I do that. When my kid is old enough and responsible enough and I feel that she can be trusted, my security strategies will be revisited and I don't need agents coming in my house and signing off on it.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Twingy, start her at a young age to respect the firearms. When you do, the firearm will be just another household item. I have done this twice with both my kids.
My daughter was a crack shot at the age of 7 with my .22. She could hit bulls-eyes at 25 yds with no scope. Sad to say much better than I could. Now she is 21 and still wants to shoot when she comes to visit. She still loves that Marlin Glenfield model 60 which she has called hers since she was 7.
I have two young kids. When our older one was about 3, he was really curious about the guns. So, I let him hold them, touch them, look through the scopes, etc. He asked me every day for a week to touch them. I dropped what I was doing and we went to the safe. After a month or two, he pretty much stopped asking. If I'm doing something in the safe, he'll ask now, but barely ever. He's 5, and he just asked to go with me when I shoot the guns. They're just another random object in the house that he doesn't consider special. Now that he's shown some interest in actually shooting them, I'll get him shooting very soon.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Years ago I had one of those Intex put together pools in my yard. 15 ft. round by 48" deep. I took it apart and stored it in my garage when it wasn't swim season. The town permit dude issued me a summons because I didn't pay for a permit and a fence around it. They wanted me to put a thousand dollar fence around a $250 pool that was up 3-4 months a year. He told me that I was responsible to make sure nobody got hurt. I told him I know where my children are and they are not wandering the neighborhood. I asked him where do you draw the line between my responsibility and the responsibility of the parent to make sure their kids don't trespass? I was so freaking pissed. They settled on me just getting a stupid pool alarm which would go off if the wind blew. I yanked the batteries out of it so it just looked like I complied. I have no patience for someone elses stupidity and lack of responsibility. Same goes for firearms. I raised my kids to understand and have a fearful respect for guns. They know the safety rules. Although I have a safe, I never once was concerned if my firearm wasn't locked up and wasn't on my person while my kids were home. Sorry, I don't need to be made to do something because there are idiots out there.
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SigLady
.357 mag
Not to push this thread sideways, but what model would you recommend for a child? Not to own, obviously, but to shoot. Handguns are out, as it seems to me that anything small enough for a kid to comfortably hold (at least that we own at home) would have too much of a recoil and would probably scare them. Anything with less recoil is a bit too big for small hands to comfortably hold. A .22 rifle then? Start them off with a BB gun?
SigLady
.357 mag
It says something about our culture that most people don't even blink an eye when that justification is used to pass laws. It's a generational thing.
I guess if gun owners are leaving CA because of ridiculous gun laws, and NYers are leaving NY because of ridiculous guns laws, then what...? We'll meet in the middle somewhere? Take over Kansas, maybe?
Cleck
.308 Win
I thought we'd start him off with his .44, I think that's appropriate
I started with a .22 when I was shooting with my dad as a kid, but first owned a pellet gun.
Cleck
.308 Win
Same here. My daughter, who is 8 now, is very curious about anything in the safe. She's asked a few times, so I've taken them out and shown them to her, let her hold them, basically the same thing as NF did. She doesn't ask anymore. We occasionally quiz her on the firearms rules she's learned to this point. Any time I get a new gun, I introduce her to it and answer any questions, let her hold it, etc. I also say she's free to see it any time she wants, as long as she gets me. If I find her trying to get it w/out me, big trouble ensues. Like NF's kid, it's barely an issue anymore.
There's a video of kids in a room with a gun, and all but 1 or 2 touch it. She'd be one of the few not touching it and running to get an adult.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Sig, children are NOT allowed to handle your firearms (handguns) out side of a range. Look at the following specific NYS Penal code. 265.20 (a)(7-e)
But I encourage you to read all of 265.20 (a)(7 a-e)
I'd recommend a pellet gun to start. Just make sure the backstop/target isn't flat. They (along with BBs) tend to ricochet. They make very little noise compared to a gun with gunpowder as well, but still wear eye and ear protection. This is what I plan to get my son for his 6th birthday. A couple years after that, he'll get his first .22 rifle. Either a 20 gauge shotgun or a small caliber rifle after that.
I'd wait until they're older and you can see that they are responsible to shoot any handguns. Handguns are easier for anyone to accidentally point at others, especially children who have momentary brain farts and stop thinking.
SigLady
.357 mag
I completely agree. My husband was started on a pellet gun and then a .22. The thought of either of my kids handling a handgun at this point makes me quite nervous. Call me a helicopter parent but that's just going to have to wait until later. Look at them and touch them (while I'm present), yes. Shoot them. Not yet. I understand that others may disagree with that point, which is fine, and I respect their p.o.v.- I find that parenting is perhaps an even more touchy subject than politics.
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SigLady
.357 mag
How odd. Is that because that magical range fairies keep them from doing the same amount of damage on a range with a firearm than can be done in the field behind our house? Ridiculous. Another example of ridiculous (and undue) incursion from the state.
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
I agree. In my prior life in another forum that everyone here came from, there was a vendor called Catskill Mountain firearms. His name was Scott. Great guy and I did alot of business with him. He took a liking to my son who was 14 at the time. My son always wanted to shoot my handguns and he made that remark in front of Scott one day. I quickly said "you are to young" that's why I was buying him another rifle that day. Scott set me straight with the NY penal code that I wrote about above.
Well long story short it cost me a rifle that day as well as plenty more ammo since then. Be careful what you wish for. BB's are cheap!
Correct.
SigLady
.357 mag
Sounds like you pay him his weekly allowance in bullets?Well long story short it cost me a rifle that day as well as plenty more ammo since then. Be careful what you wish for. BB's are cheap!