Interesting article about FUAC's plan to empty NY's jails
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Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
NY is going to become a shit show.
Move.
Now.
Move.
Now.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
My son will be out of high school in 5-1/2 years. I'm already laying the groundwork.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I'm hoping to be out in 5 1/2 months.
I'm afraid 5 1/2 years will be too long.
The way FUAC runs things you might have to build a hot air balloon out of shower curtains to escape over the wall to PA by then....
That_FNG
.308 Win
Just say that any that are released have an 11 round magazine with a maga hat on them and call red flag report on them.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
"It is the cops who will probably take the brunt of the public’s displeasure when the effects of the new laws reach outward and touch crime victims. It will appear the police are hesitant to arrest people. "
good .. i hope all the LEO just hang out at the cop shop and chill out like firemen and ems do until needed ..
they have no duty to protect .. so chill out until the whole town / village / county is invaded and needs your help ..
get the flu ..
simple fix
no more traffic stops or chases .. no more domestic calls .. ..
winter is coming .. no more helping in snow storms .. tell FUAC and DOT to handle it
good .. i hope all the LEO just hang out at the cop shop and chill out like firemen and ems do until needed ..
they have no duty to protect .. so chill out until the whole town / village / county is invaded and needs your help ..
get the flu ..
simple fix
no more traffic stops or chases .. no more domestic calls .. ..
winter is coming .. no more helping in snow storms .. tell FUAC and DOT to handle it
Uzi
.308 Win
I'm sorry, "become"? I think it already is.
We already started implementing some of these rules.
Good luck, that’s all I can say.
It’s really bad.
Good luck, that’s all I can say.
It’s really bad.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
The most intrusive new rule of evidence is the right of the defense attorneys and the principal, upon court order, to visit, inspect and record the crime scene. Imagine you’ve already been the victim of a crime and you learn that you must allow the accused person back onto your property in order to better build their defense. This is certainly being victimized twice, but particularly in crimes against people such as murder, rape, and assaults.
... Think about this folks ...You have a loved one who was violently raped almost killed in their home .... and the defendant has the right to walk into your house for an inspection ... Talk about intimidation of a witness..
... Think about this folks ...You have a loved one who was violently raped almost killed in their home .... and the defendant has the right to walk into your house for an inspection ... Talk about intimidation of a witness..
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Of course those red flagged gun owners are still going to be swatted. If I couldn't find a way to hate FUAC any more now I've found one.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
This is a right that already exists. It comes from a document most of us here cherish.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
Do explain. I don't see it jumping out at me anywhere, and this is very definitely NOT "face your accuser".
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I consider it part of due process and the right to challenge the evidence.
You make it sound like the defendant is going to be traipsing through the rape victim's bedroom. Which is hyperbolic.
Why would it be improper for a defendant to send his lawyers and investigators to a crime scene to do their own investigation, provided the government has concluded their own, and actually indicted the defendant?
I grant you I do way more civil stuff and most of the criminal stuff we do is white collar so not my area of expertise but the statement you made struck me as being a bit excitable.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
I don't think I was overly hyperbolic... I do not believe that the right to face your accuser means anything other than in the courtroom, with a judge or magistrate presiding. I am not familiar enough with legal proceedings to know how the whole crime scene process works, but I agree with @livingston in that it is intimidation of the highest order for a violent attacker to re-enter the premises of his victim, with his legal counsel and whoever else, to review the scene and generate their defense. And why wouldn't they, as under this ill-advised measure, said perpetrator would be walking free anyway?
This will not go well, and there is no putting a good face on it. The devil is in the details, and he doesn't need an advocate either.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Sorry...
I want to go read the actual text of this.
"Visit, record, and inspect" is already out there if for example a defense attorney wants to go look at the crime scene to prepare for cross examining a witness and questioning their memory, etc.
As I think about it, if I were a defense attorney I might not want to visit and look for "evidence" per se; what if I find something there that is adverse to my client? As a defendant you dont have a duty to turn it over but you also run the risk of being in a posture that looks like evidence tampering.
And also as I think about it, the burden of proof is on the government- which includes authenticating their evidence, chain of custody, etc.
Cranky this morning, need coffee. Your post read like you think a defense attorney would be stupid enough to encourage witness intimidation. Which would surely come up at trial and be... frowned upon.
PS the quote at least says "with a court order." Again something I am pretty sure already exists.
I want to go read the actual text of this.
"Visit, record, and inspect" is already out there if for example a defense attorney wants to go look at the crime scene to prepare for cross examining a witness and questioning their memory, etc.
As I think about it, if I were a defense attorney I might not want to visit and look for "evidence" per se; what if I find something there that is adverse to my client? As a defendant you dont have a duty to turn it over but you also run the risk of being in a posture that looks like evidence tampering.
And also as I think about it, the burden of proof is on the government- which includes authenticating their evidence, chain of custody, etc.
Cranky this morning, need coffee. Your post read like you think a defense attorney would be stupid enough to encourage witness intimidation. Which would surely come up at trial and be... frowned upon.
PS the quote at least says "with a court order." Again something I am pretty sure already exists.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Will these same rules apply to someone using a firearm to defend their life?
C3D
.308 Win
So is an arrest for a gun crime a “violent offense” or do the perps get released like burglars and robbers? Because I guarantee when one of us gets nicked for a high-cap magazine we forgot we owned in 2013 we won’t get released on recognizance. That privilege is reserved for inner city gang bangers.
TMC
.40 S&W
All this crap gives new meaning to " Land of the free ( and home of the uninvited )".
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
so potential criminals are "offended" by the word Defendant or are we (the law) afaid to call them that now....use the work principals...and give 3 forms of communication incase they "FORGET"......right......
I stop reading there as the author said it went DOWNHILL from there???? its already rock bottom right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I stop reading there as the author said it went DOWNHILL from there???? its already rock bottom right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me, I look forward to watching this play out.
If it is successful, which I doubt, this will save millions and millions of dollars for the tax payers.
If it is a failure, we will never hear about it.
If it is successful, which I doubt, this will save millions and millions of dollars for the tax payers.
If it is a failure, we will never hear about it.
Toecutter
.308 Win
This is a great step in the right direcrion . We are talking about people in jail. They are not convicted of any crime just awaiting trial. People are innocent until proven guilty. Not to be locked up until they prove innocence or can pay to be released. Unless there is evidence of them being a danger to society people should not be locked up .
I agree to an extent. Some of the low level crimes, redicoulous to keep them locked up for weeks and months.
Like I said, I look forward to this playing out...
Schools are everywhere.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
23 months, 23 months and Im outa this shit hole state
You mean "when" this is a failure.
There is no conceivable way this is a good idea. Just like Cumhole's father dumped the loony bins onto the streets, his walking blowjob son is going to continue the family legacy of being a piece of shit.
And you, me, and the rest of society has to deal with it.
Cumhole should have been a load his mother swallowed. Or at least took on her ugly face like a bukkake queen.