Interesting non-pistol grip option
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I shoot from da hip
.40 S&W
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
No. Just.... no.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't think that going to work in NY. It works in California because they define a pistol grip.
“(d) “pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon” means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.”
Since NY has no definition, it is just a pistol grip wrapped in Kydex. lt's just the same as a barrel wrapped in Kydex would still be a barrel.
In California since you cannot get a pistol grip style grasp, it is not considered a pistol grip. Had we had that definition we could use it against then and argue according to their law.
“(d) “pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon” means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.”
Since NY has no definition, it is just a pistol grip wrapped in Kydex. lt's just the same as a barrel wrapped in Kydex would still be a barrel.
In California since you cannot get a pistol grip style grasp, it is not considered a pistol grip. Had we had that definition we could use it against then and argue according to their law.
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Bushmaster
.308 Win
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Yeah nys would say that makes it even more deadlier 
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
They are putting them on around here.
Not much different than a monsterman grip.
Easliy come off???? Hhmmm. The spur easily comes of. One screw....
Not much different than a monsterman grip.
Easliy come off???? Hhmmm. The spur easily comes of. One screw....
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just because they put them on, it doesn't mean they are legal.
If I put Kydex over a silencer, is it no longer a silencer?
If I put Kydex over a silencer, is it no longer a silencer?
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not the same thing. The grip is off with one screw and no longer part of the weapon and replaced with the Spur.
With the Kydex, the grip is still there.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Can I carry this in post offices now as long as it's wrapped in Kydex?
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
NY has no definition. Maybe i could argue that my rifle has a banana grip, not a pistol grip, since pistol grips contain a magazine well.....
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So could an airsoft rifle, doesn't mean its illegal.
I read these posts and think wow just about every comment is how this is no good in NY good luck with that. NY has no definition of a pistol grip. Well they purposely wrote it vague to keep the sheep guessing and confused. Not one post has pointed that out.
That certainly sounds probable. However, I think they are just stupid idiots writing laws with the help of these Bloomberg backed groups as so called experts who have no clue as to how firearms really work. Fuck em....... Vague law. No definition. IMO and I am not an attorney, arguable if you made a reasonable attempt to comply.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Vagueness is our friend.
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Koz
6.5 Creedmoor
Another way to make safe guns unstable just to stroke andy's massive ego. FUac.
I didnt say its illegal but that doesnt matter if a cop doesnt know either. He may seize the weapon and you may have to jump through hoops to get it back while someone decides if its legal or not.
Mine did....sort of, its what I meant.
A cop could cause you "problems" becsuse he has no idea if its legal. So he may confiscate your gun while his superiors try to decide if its legal.
I just did not read your post LOL.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A Thordsen isn't a pistol grip. It's a stock. A Boar grip isn't a pistol grip. It's a goofy grip.
This is just a piece of Kydex over a banned feature. The feature is still there.
Those that say it's legal because it's vague, answer me this.
Can I wrap Kydex over a silencer?
Can I wrap Kydex over a trigger on a handgun? Can I I wrap Kydex over a 10 inch barrel without a tax stamp and claim there is no barrel there at all?
Can I wrap Kydex over a pistol to avoid registration?
If the answer is no, what makes this different? Give a different answer other than vague. I want to learn. Even Federal laws are vague.
This is just a piece of Kydex over a banned feature. The feature is still there.
Those that say it's legal because it's vague, answer me this.
Can I wrap Kydex over a silencer?
Can I wrap Kydex over a trigger on a handgun? Can I I wrap Kydex over a 10 inch barrel without a tax stamp and claim there is no barrel there at all?
Can I wrap Kydex over a pistol to avoid registration?
If the answer is no, what makes this different? Give a different answer other than vague. I want to learn. Even Federal laws are vague.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
That's like saying my ar is illegal because there's still threads existing under the cap.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
How would that affect the silencer other than melting into a mess?
You can cover a short barrel in a long shroud to make it legal, they do it all the time for sten gun kits (would probably be considered a flash hider in FUAC kingdom though.).
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If the cap becomes part of the barrel via pin and weld as per the ATF, then no.
The reason your examples are different is because wrapping the Kydex around the grip stops the user from using the grip as its' intended purpose. Kind of like plugging a thump hole stock. No longer useable.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I can go with that answer. That makes sense.
So what about wrapping kydex around a handgun?