Judge Finds Colorado Sex Offender Registry Unconstitutional

[livingston]

Judge Finds Colorado Sex Offender Registry Unconstitutional
DENVER (CBS4)– A federal court judge in Denver has called the public sex offender registry in Colorado “cruel and unusual punishment.”

The Colorado Bureau of Investigation posts a list of registered sex offenders required under the law. It contains names, pictures, addresses, descriptions and more and readily available to anyone on the internet
But now, Federal Judge Richard Matsch has found that to be a violation of the U.S. Constitution. He wrote that the public has been given the “power to inflict punishments beyond those imposed through the court.”

Alison Ruttenberg, the attorney for the sex offenders, told CBS4’s Rick Sallinger they were often scarred for life because of all the public information available on the convicted criminals.
“Making them at risk for vigilantes’ action to have their houses burned down, beaten up or even killed that is cruel and unusual punishment,” Ruttenberg said.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/08/31/sex-offender-registry-constitution/

 

[Apeman]

Yup. Have to protect the scumbags in this country. God forbid they endure some "cruel and unusual" punishment after inflicting it on their victims.
How has the public been given power to inflict? While some of these offenders probably deserve to be beaten it's still against the law to actually hurt them or commit other crimes against them.
Nobody wants to live next to someone that committed some of these crimes. Why shouldn't we be able to know whose house our kids are playing in front of?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I applaud her decision. If someone paid a debt to society, he or she is supposed to be just like you and I with all rights restored.

 

[masterswimmer]

It's very easy. No registry made public if after conviction they are surgically castrated.

 

[misunderestimated]

Death penalty would of fixed this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Death penalty would of fixed this.

I agree. Or lifetime imprisonment.

 

[Catskillkid]

Here's the bigger issue imo. Yeah, a scumbag who is older and mature who rapes a little boy or girl deserves all the harsh treatment they can get. But what about the 18 year old guys (or girls) who have sex with their 16 year old significant others? Technically they could be put on the database too.

I hate pedophiles and rapists with all my beings but I also don't like government "lists." They are ripe for abuse. Gun owners of all people should know this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Here's the bigger issue imo. Yeah, a scumbag who is older and mature who rapes a little boy or girl deserves all the harsh treatment they can get. But what about the 18 year old guys (or girls) who have sex with their 16 year old significant others? Technically they could be put on the database too.

I hate pedophiles and rapists with all my beings but I also don't like government "lists." They are ripe for abuse. Gun owners of all people should know this.

Or a woman in a college dorm who runs a train and after a video is put out, becomes ashamed and decides to say that she was raped.

 

[masterswimmer]

Here's the bigger issue imo. Yeah, a scumbag who is older and mature who rapes a little boy or girl deserves all the harsh treatment they can get. But what about the 18 year old guys (or girls) who have sex with their 16 year old significant others? Technically they could be put on the database too.

I hate pedophiles and rapists with all my beings but I also don't like government "lists." They are ripe for abuse. Gun owners of all people should know this.

Categorizing gun owners with pedophiles and rapists is disgusting on every level.

Talk about gun owners should know this.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The way I see it, if it's an "Iffy" rape like the situations described above, once released, you should get all rights restored.

If the evidence is without a doubt found to be a forcible, violent rape, then you shouldn't be released at all.

 

[Catskillkid]

Or a woman in a college dorm who runs a train and after a video is put out, becomes ashamed and decides to say that she was raped.

Or wakes up when the beer googles are over and regrets that she slept with an ungly bro beneath her station. Yup, guy's life totally ruined forever. Chick gets off Scot free and is celebrated for being "so brave."

 

[Catskillkid]

Categorizing gun owners with pedophiles and rapists is disgusting on every level.

Talk about gun owners should know this.

I'm not at all saying that gun owners and pedophiles/rapists are the same. I'm saying that government lists are ripe for abuse whether you're on a sex offender database or no-fly/no-buy list. Reread the comment that I made.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Or wakes up when the beer googles are over and regrets that she slept with an ungly bro beneath her station. Yup, guy's life totally ruined forever. Chick gets off Scot free and is celebrated for being "so brave."

That's happened to me more than once after she woke up and saw my cro-magnon head the next morning. Thank God she just choose not to call me again.

 

[Catskillkid]

That's happened to me more than once after she woke up and saw my cro-magnon head the next morning. Thank God she just choose not to call me again.

I always knew you were a contributing partner to the rape culture WillJr75

 

[masterswimmer]

I'm not at all saying that gun owners and pedophiles/rapists are the same. I'm saying that government lists are ripe for abuse whether you're on a sex offender database or no-fly/no-buy list. Reread the comment that I made.

So you're saying a person on a SUSPECTED terrorist list should be treated the same as a known, CONVICTED sex offender?

My comment stands.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So you're saying a person on a SUSPECTED terrorist list should be treated the same as a known, CONVICTED sex offender?

My comment stands.

A convicted rapist shouldn't have been on any list if he or she was in prison for life.

Are you for releasing them into the the public?

 

[Catskillkid]

So you're saying a person on a SUSPECTED terrorist list should be treated the same as a known, CONVICTED sex offender?

My comment stands.

For what it's worth my guess is that well over 90% of people on sex offender registries are the lowest scum of the earth and are there for a good reason. However, there are things that will put you on a sex offender registry that are relatively benign imo. Two teenagers who are going out send each other nude pics. Now they can be arrested and brought up on child pornography charges and placed on the list. Do these types of offenses require registration on a government list? Does somebody who sexted their teenage girlfriend when they are also a teenager need to be treated the same as a child rapist?

 

[Darth]

I applaud her decision. If someone paid a debt to society, he or she is supposed to be just like you and I with all rights restored.

I actually agree.

 

[Cooolone]

Sorry, but no, not with Sex Crimes that fit the bill for Registry, rapists, paedophiles... Agree's that some of the low level sex crimes should not be there, ie, non-violent crimes...

But NO is NO... There is no iffy rape! Bottom line is you're responsible for your junk, pick up some scag, and get what you deserve. But sex crimes are violent by nature and one of the worst crimes you can commit against another. The victim will certainly relive the experience well beyond any punishment dolled out to the perp. If convicted, automatic castration would be nice!

And unless you know someone who's personally experienced this type of crime, or personally have yourself, you have no business at all making judgement.

But it figures, Colorado is slowing becoming the new California... Way left leaning...

Cruel and unusual hugh? How about we bring back hard labor, cracking rocks 12hrs a day, no AC, Cable TV, etc., no expectation of reform, just plain hard labor to pay back the debt to society for such a grievous offense.

I say fuck any rapist, sexual predator, or child molester, they can never pay their debt and can never be forgiven or have their Rights restored because they shouldn't be breathing at all. There's a reason that even in NY, justifiable defense for deadly force exists to prevent or stop a "rape"!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I actually agree.

You taught me that actually. You are good for something at least. Some other things, not so much.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Sorry, but no, not with Sex Crimes that fit the bill for Registry, rapists, paedophiles... Agree's that some of the low level sex crimes should not be there, ie, non-violent crimes...

But NO is NO... There is no iffy rape! Bottom line is you're responsible for your junk, pick up some scag, and get what you deserve. But sex crimes are violent by nature and one of the worst crimes you can commit against another. The victim will certainly relive the experience well beyond any punishment dolled out to the perp. If convicted, automatic castration would be nice!

And unless you know someone who's personally experienced this type of crime, or personally have yourself, you have no business at all making judgement.

But it figures, Colorado is slowing becoming the new California... Way left leaning...

Cruel and unusual hugh? How about we bring back hard labor, cracking rocks 12hrs a day, no AC, Cable TV, etc., no expectation of reform, just plain hard labor to pay back the debt to society for such a grievous offense.

I say fuck any rapist, sexual predator, or child molester, they can never pay their debt and can never be forgiven or have their Rights restored because they shouldn't be breathing at all. There's a reason that even in NY, justifiable defense for deadly force exists to prevent or stop a "rape"!

Do you agree that they should be released from prison?

Do you agree if an 18 year old kid has sex with a 16 year old he should be convicted and put on a list when he gets out? That's "Iffy" in case you didn't know what it meant.

Why should anyone be put on a list if they paid their debt to society?

 

[Darth]

And unless you know someone who's personally experienced this type of crime, or personally have yourself, you have no business at all making judgement.

Actually, yes, I do.

If you don't have a vagina, you can't talk about...

If you never were a mass murderer, you can't talk about...

If you...


Horse apples.

One can just as easily say that " If you're too emotionally distraught because you have personal experience with rape, you can't talk about..."

The constitution is not an a la carte menu! Yes, even for the vile things.

 

[Cooolone]

Do you agree that they should be released from prison?

Do you agree if an 18 year old kid has sex with a 16 year old he should be convicted and put on a list when he gets out? That's "Iffy" in case you didn't know what it meant.

Why should anyone be put on a list if they paid their debt to society?

Agree on your example, as I said, some low level crimes shouldn't be there (on the list).

 

[Apeman]

Do you agree that they should be released from prison?

Do you agree if an 18 year old kid has sex with a 16 year old he should be convicted and put on a list when he gets out? That's "Iffy" in case you didn't know what it meant.

Why should anyone be put on a list if they paid their debt to society?

Like you and others have said some people should not be on the list for consensual sex that was regretted or consensual 18 on 16 year old.
The violent ones or those involving kids should be listed. I agree that some of them should get life in prison for some of these crimes.

Personally I don't think some of these scumbags can pay their debt by going to prison. Some of the crimes you hear about are so awful they should just be put to death.

I worked with somebody that was convicted of child molestation. None of us had any idea because he kept it so well hidden. He's doing 50 years to life now. All of us at work are hoping to hear about him getting shanked one day

 

[Marine Cpl]

Like you and others have said some people should not be on the list for consensual sex that was regretted or consensual 18 on 16 year old.
The violent ones or those involving kids should be listed. I agree that some of them should get life in prison for some of these crimes.

Personally I don't think some of these scumbags can pay their debt by going to prison. Some of the crimes you hear about are so awful they should just be put to death.

I worked with somebody that was convicted of child molestation. None of us had any idea because he kept it so well hidden. He's doing 50 years to life now. All of us at work are hoping to hear about him getting shanked one day

That's a problem with the legal system. They shouldn't be let out at all and put on a registry. There is no rehabilitation from that. It should be a life in prison crime. At least the forcible rapes and pedophilia ones.

The ones where a woman who went on a date and 7 days later reports it or the 16 to 18 year old ones shouldn't however.

 

[wizrd]

Brand them with a big capital ' C ' - on their forehead - for 'Chester Molester'. Then they can do away with the registry.

 

[Burzum]

Maybe the Judge's name is also on the list so she wanted to do away with it.

And urinating "in public" as in the back alley near the rear door of a bar (not in font of a children's playground) should not be a "sex crime."

So these laws should have a better taxonomy of real sex crime verses something petty.

 

[Shadow2]

IMO the registry is noting more then life parol for what should be a life sentence. Fact, they are wired to do this, they will repeat. What will happen next acknowledging it as a legitimate and allowable sexuality?

The laws of nature are out of balance it will have a back lash.

 

[Phauxtoe]

it wouldn't surprise me if Judgy had a skeleton in his NAMBLA closet

 

[GOPerfect]

I applaud her decision. If someone paid a debt to society, he or she is supposed to be just like you and I with all rights restored.

100% of the time, in regards to these fucking scum, part of the sentence is a lifetime on the registry. No different than probation. On a plea deal, these low life dirt bags agree to it.