NY AG suing mean arms over mag lock

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This case will have major safe act implications.

The state in honor of the evil racist attack on the tops in buffalo is suing mean arms because their magazine locks are too easily defeated.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say this will be the biggest safe act case in years. God willing it won't make things worse but may lead to having things struck down as idiotic.

NYS Attorney General suing gun accessory maker in connection to Tops mass shooting

Attorney General Letitia James seeks to stop Mean Arms, which is based in Georgia, from doing business in New York.

www.wivb.com

Watching this case closely.

 

[Deplorable Me]

NYSP has so far declined to weigh in on what's acceptable and what's not. Hence NY is complicity negligent. (In addition to a big ass violation of constitutional law.)

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

NYSP has so far declined to weigh in on what's acceptable and what's not. Hence NY is complicity negligent. (In addition to a big ass violation of constitutional law.)

That's what makes this case so important.

If the stupidity of mag locks being too arbitrary gets struck down it will have huge implications.

 

[dwa12479]

Sounds like we may get some elaboration on the "permanent" myth.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Sounds like we may get some elaboration on the "permanent" myth.

One way or another it looks like the issue is going to be forced to be clarified

 

[RedBreast21]

NYSP has so far declined to weigh in on what's acceptable and what's not. Hence NY is complicity negligent. (In addition to a big ass violation of constitutional law.)

Just what I was going to say this. NY is complicit as manufactures wrote asking for approval and clarification. But its political season again so here we go lol

Someone needs to contact the families of the victims and they need to enter a lawsuit against NY. File for say for 1 trillion dollars. One hundred billion for each life lost.

That will take care of the lawsuit.

 

[Rocpo]

NYSP has so far declined to weigh in on what's acceptable and what's not. Hence NY is complicity negligent. (In addition to a big ass violation of constitutional law.)

It is NOT SP's job to determine what's acceptable. That is the purview of the political class only. If they have no clue, then it should be tossed out.

 

[SomeSoldier]

It is NOT SP's job to determine what's acceptable. That is the purview of the political class only. If they have no clue, then it should be tossed out.

Arbitrary and capricious come to mind.

 

[FP1201]

This case will have major safe act implications.

The state in honor of the evil racist attack on the tops in buffalo is suing mean arms because their magazine locks are too easily defeated.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say this will be the biggest safe act case in years. God willing it won't make things worse but may lead to having things struck down as idiotic.

NYS Attorney General suing gun accessory maker in connection to Tops mass shooting

Attorney General Letitia James seeks to stop Mean Arms, which is based in Georgia, from doing business in New York.

www.wivb.com

Watching this case closely.

For one I'd like to see the removed mag-lock, (evidence) as the Mean Mag locks "snap-off" part of the locking nut when screwed down to lock in the magazine... defeating it would take tools and significant effort. Perhaps its inclusive of other manufacturers products and they're keying in on the Mean name brand opposed to the dozen or so companies that sell a mass produced bullet button.
Too bad there's a snow-ball's chance in hell of my sitting on that Jury.
The State wants to make a case that they can use against the hundreds of thousands of MSR owners that gave the middle finger to the un_SAFE Act with magazine locks, especially with the coming implosion from economic failure and illegal immigration.
I feel for the folks below Albany who are going to catch the cancer first and the major cities that will see influx and the systemic crime and blight that accompany it.

 

[Bustedknees]

This should be cleared up by year 2049.

 

[FP1201]

It is NOT SP's job to determine what's acceptable. That is the purview of the political class only. If they have no clue, then it should be tossed out.

The Legislators when questioned about previous anti-gun legislation had no clue beyond what they lobbyist and special interest group attorneys wrote and told them to say... to degree this actually helps our side because they're too fucking stupid on the subject to do as much damages as is possible.

 

[ManrisFrack]

For one I'd like to see the removed mag-lock, (evidence) as the Mean Mag locks "snap-off" part of the locking nut when screwed down to lock in the magazine... defeating it would take tools and significant effort. Perhaps its inclusive of other manufacturers products and they're keying in on the Mean name brand opposed to the dozen or so companies that sell a mass produced bullet button.
Too bad there's a snow-ball's chance in hell of my sitting on that Jury.
The State wants to make a case that they can use against the hundreds of thousands of MSR owners that gave the middle finger to the un_SAFE Act with magazine locks, especially with the coming implosion from economic failure and illegal immigration.
I feel for the folks below Albany who are going to catch the cancer first and the major cities that will see influx and the systemic crime and blight that accompany it.

Exactly.

I think they picked the MA Lock on purpose. It's one of the most permanent of the mag lock solutions. When they win in their kangaroo court (and they will) it will fuck every single last one of us who converted our guns with with mag locks. We bastardized our previously legal property in good faith efforts to comply with the law and this fucking cunt is saying loud and clear, 'you didn't bend over far enough.'

Complying with tyrants is a fool's endeavor.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Exactly.

I think they picked the MA Lock on purpose. It's one of the most permanent of the mag lock solutions. When they win in their kangaroo court (and they will) it will fuck every single last one of us who converted our guns with with mag locks. We bastardized our previously legal property in good faith efforts to comply with the law and this fucking cunt is saying loud and clear, 'you didn't bend over far enough.'

Complying with tyrants is a fool's endeavor.

Definitely sets up for SCOTUS

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Mag locks are completely ridiculous and really accomplish nothing since there is no such thing as a permanent mag lock, they can all be defeated it's just a matter of how long and how many tools you need.

So the only logical conclusion is there is no way to delineate when a mag lock is acceptable or not so it's to be ruled as arbitrary and capricious and should be struck down with prejudice.

 

[Vapor]

Mag locks are completely ridiculous and really accomplish nothing since there is no such thing as a permanent mag lock, they can all be defeated it's just a matter of how long and how many tools you need.

So the only logical conclusion is there is no way to delineate when a mag lock is acceptable or not so it's to be ruled as arbitrary and capricious and should be struck down with prejudice.

You can make anything with enough tools and time. That's why the NFA is arbitrary.

 

[Acer-m14]

have no fear .. if its heading to SCOTUS .. NYS will change the law and make it MOOT ..

while they slap real criminals on hand and give a appearance ticket ..

catch n release ..

 

[Bigfoot]

I think Jumbo James time would be better served going after the illegal invaders in this state.

You know the lawbreakers, the non-citizens.

 

[Celt]

Mag locks are completely ridiculous and really accomplish nothing since there is no such thing as a permanent mag lock, they can all be defeated it's just a matter of how long and how many tools you need.

So the only logical conclusion is there is no way to delineate when a mag lock is acceptable or not so it's to be ruled as arbitrary and capricious and should be struck down with prejudice.

Should be, but its NY so it wont be.

 

[Saltwater60]

For one I'd like to see the removed mag-lock, (evidence) as the Mean Mag locks "snap-off" part of the locking nut when screwed down to lock in the magazine... defeating it would take tools and significant effort. Perhaps its inclusive of other manufacturers products and they're keying in on the Mean name brand opposed to the dozen or so companies that sell a mass produced bullet button.
Too bad there's a snow-ball's chance in hell of my sitting on that Jury.
The State wants to make a case that they can use against the hundreds of thousands of MSR owners that gave the middle finger to the un_SAFE Act with magazine locks, especially with the coming implosion from economic failure and illegal immigration.
I feel for the folks below Albany who are going to catch the cancer first and the major cities that will see influx and the systemic crime and blight that accompany it.

I fully agree with this however drilling out the aluminum MA mag lock with a drill be would be very easily accomplished. It’s likely very soft metal and there are no threads on the AR lower to ruin. I could see it being accomplished in 10 minutes or less.
Now does this mean I agree with them and there interpretation? Hell no but to the simpletons on the jury I’ll bet they agree. She will then use our money to systematically sue all companies or use this case and a letter as an example and you will no longer be able to get a mag lock. I do t see them making a decision on what’s permanent or not but they will simply make it so you can no longer purchase these in NYS. Maybe border states will start to carry them??

 

[Jmac00]

so this clown took a LEGALLY owned firearm, PURPOSELY removed and defeated a NYS LEGAL and APPROVED DEVICE, and some how this is the manufacture's fault?

If NYS approved of the device, but now they're going to sue becaus..............never fucking mind, the stupid is so strong in this state it freak'n hurts

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I fully agree with this however drilling out the aluminum MA mag lock with a drill be would be very easily accomplished. It’s likely very soft metal and there are no threads on the AR lower to ruin. I could see it being accomplished in 10 minutes or less.
Now does this mean I agree with them and there interpretation? Hell no but to the simpletons on the jury I’ll bet they agree. She will then use our money to systematically sue all companies or use this case and a letter as an example and you will no longer be able to get a mag lock. I do t see them making a decision on what’s permanent or not but they will simply make it so you can no longer purchase these in NYS. Maybe border states will start to carry them??

I really hope the attorneys get their shit together and expose this madness for what it is.

We've all said repeatedly on multiple threads a mag lock is a mag lock. They can all be defeated it just comes down to how many tools you want to use and how much time.

If I just need 5 mins and Allen keys, is that any different than if I need 15 minutes and a drill or hacksaw?



This is the definition of a lock from Merriam Webster
lock

noun (2)​

1
a
: a fastening (as for a door) operated by a key or a combination

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Why can't I get a jury summons for a case like this.

 

[Depick]

Convenient timing for her to announce her latest crusade for justice. This will work out great for the many who have a MA mag lock.

 

[Cavalry]

I fully agree with this however drilling out the aluminum MA mag lock with a drill be would be very easily accomplished. It’s likely very soft metal and there are no threads on the AR lower to ruin. I could see it being accomplished in 10 minutes or less.
Now does this mean I agree with them and there interpretation? Hell no but to the simpletons on the jury I’ll bet they agree. She will then use our money to systematically sue all companies or use this case and a letter as an example and you will no longer be able to get a mag lock. I do t see them making a decision on what’s permanent or not but they will simply make it so you can no longer purchase these in NYS. Maybe border states will start to carry them??

Completely agree. They were nice enough to leave a hole down the center for a pilot, so you really cant screw it up. A left handed drill bit on its own would probably spin this right out. A right handed drill would equally remove but with (minimal) risk of slightly damaging the lower. I bet a torx or even hex bit hammered in the hole would lock in enough to spin it out with no drilling.

 

[Defilade]

My mag lock works when the button is released.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

so this clown took a LEGALLY owned firearm, PURPOSELY removed and defeated a NYS LEGAL and APPROVED DEVICE, and some how this is the manufacture's fault?

If NYS approved of the device, but now they're going to sue becaus..............never fucking mind, the stupid is so strong in this state it freak'n hurts View attachment 200290

When some fat pig faced bitch has limitless funds to file lawsuits she'll sue anyone. Thus is one of the biggest problems we face. Out own monies being used against us on multiple fronts.

 

[Apeman]

So did they put this on their site before or after they were served?

 

[Apeman]

So this is legal. Why isn't the state suing Magpul,BCM, or anyone else that makes a regular grip? A grip swap would make it illegal.

 

[Cooolone]

Just...

FUCK NY!!!

Unenforceable law... 2 tier arbitrary hindrance to exercise a Right as defined by Bruen... Same goes for training, having a safe and a dozen other BS hurdles to jump in order to exercise that 2A.

Counting the fucking days ... Maybe just a few months now and it's exciting to think about! Will miss a lot, but not the BS politics and the ever present BS regarding 2A here when it's the criminals breaking laws they don't hinder, but let go, and yet, continue to fuck the little guy just going about his business day to day.

FUNY

 

[Bustedknees]

Is there any chance Hochul and Company will amend the law just days before they lose this case in three years.