NYC Legal Knife

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  1. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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  2. Celt

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    Thats cool, and the commentary that the guy is giving it around the four and a half minute mark could not be more accurate. I've been meaning to take a knife training class but I have not had the time yet. I need to make that a priority one of these days.

    Although the one thing I will say about carrying a knife is that it has to be at tool and not for personal defense. If the knife is deemed a weapon and not a tool you can be in trouble.

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    • It is illegal to own any knife adapted for use primarily as a weapon"
     
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  3. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Yeah. I guess they can say that about any knife. Especially a black, scary one like this one.
     
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  4. togmaster

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    Colonel Angus
     
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  5. Saltwater60

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    I thought only butter knives and steak knives chained to tables were allowed n
     
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  6. Celt

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    Basically, if it looks Tactical then a cop could try to make an issue if they found you with it. But concealed is concealed until it's needed.
     
  7. GOYABEAN

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    :rolleyes: it has a hole in it :evil:
     
  8. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    I'm getting it anyway. The guys in the video make good points. You don't have to learn how to knife fight with this one. Just punch and hope for the best.

    Even light wussy punches would be effective.
     
  9. togmaster

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    Then you're GTG.
     
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  10. libertysnake

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    I mean, by that metric any knife isn't for personal defense -- up until the point you defend yourself with it. But I suppose if I cut open a few boxes while I was defending myself, I might not get charged with having a knife that's primarily a weapon...

    The law needs clarity, is my point.
     
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  11. Celt

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    Agreed, and there are organizations that are fighting against these vague and arbitrary knife laws, but we're dealing with New York City where the irrational and illogical are running the show
     
  12. libertysnake

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    Did anyone ever get The Colonel knife? Would it be legal to carry in NYC? Thread sort of left off a little vague.
     
  13. Willjr75

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    Nah. Not yet. I may later on. As far as NYC legal, Celt brought up a good point. They could classify any knife as dangerous.

    § 265.01. Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree

    A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:

    (1) He or she possesses any firearm, electronic dart gun, electronic stun gun, gravity knife, switchblade knife, pilum ballistic knife, metal knuckle knife, cane sword, billy, blackjack, bludgeon, plastic knuckles, metal knuckles, chuka stick, sand bag, sandclub, wrist-brace type slingshot or slungshot, shirken or “Kung Fu star”; or

    (2) He possesses any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto, imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or…..
     
  14. libertysnake

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    Ah, the good ole’ “leave the law so vague we can interpret it however we want, in order to harass law abiding citizens” bullshit.
     
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  15. togmaster

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    I just picked up one of these. Benchmade 101 Follow-Up

    Outstanding Benchmade quality as usual. It would make an excellent EDC for the city.
     
  16. NY Chamorro

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    with intent to use the same unlawfully against another; or…..

    How is defending yourself, intent to use it unlawfully?
     
  17. Darth

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    Then they really tie themselves in knots and say

    "Possession of such is presumption to use unlawfully against another."

    :rolleyes:
     
  18. Uzi

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    I don't like it. I don't like the compensation for being lazy on a minimal amount of handling and training needed for the knife you carry. I also don't like the unnatural and artificial cant of the wrist that they're consciously not talking about while punch penetrating with the knife. This is what push daggers are for.
     
  19. Automan21

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    Especially in the city. I have a knife on me usually a small assisted opening one. Mostly when I work but never really when I go out. Got pulled over on my motorcycle one day from work. The cop asked what’s that and why I have it since he saw the clip on my pocket. I said it’s a knife used for work purposes. “So your saying you carry that for protection?” No sir, it’s used while I work. I am leaving my place of work now and going home. It is used for tasks at my workplace. He must have asked me 3x if it’s for protection. After a while he gave me my credentials back and told me to go.
     
  20. Automan21

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    “Greater violence is gonna win”
    That’s a scary dude.
    Nice blade too
     
  21. Celt

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    That's pretty messed up, sounds like he was trying to set you up and if you would have said "yeah what's the big deal" then you would have been in quite a peck of trouble.
     
  22. Twogunwilly

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    It's a bottle opener
     
  23. Willjr75

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    I never understood people that clip their knives on their pockets for all to see. Just put it in an empty pocket and reach for it when you need it.
     
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  24. Celt

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    The clip is installed for just that purpose, unfortunately nyc laws have made it so that a visible clip is not concealed. I no longer use clips because i dont want to invite trouble.
     
  25. Willjr75

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    I don't even do it up here. Nobody needs to know that I'm armed whether by pistol or blade.
     
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  26. Celt

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    I switched to fixed blades, on my belt or on my neck.
     
  27. NirvanaFan

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    I use a knife quite frequently. Probably 3-6 times a day. Some of the time I'm carrying something or holding something. Having it clipped to my pocket always keeps it in the same exact spot, all the time. I also find that it's quicker to "draw" from, especially if the knife happens to be sideways in my pocket. I frequently carry a pen in the same pocket. Having them both inside the same pocket would be a real pain. I'm also not a big fan of things bouncing around in my pocket.
     
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  28. libertysnake

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    I guess that cop doesn’t have legitimate work to do that he’s got to harass every day people not bothering others.
     
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  29. Toecutter

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    I have to work in Manhattan and the Bronx once and a while and i can't carry my pistol or my normal 5 inch fixed blade. So I recently picked up a Morakniv robust. Its sold as a trade knife,sharp as hell, cheap,lightweight and is 3.5 inches .
     
  30. libertysnake

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    So, I spent a lot of time looking around for something that is both pocketable, fixed blade, and conceals well / meshes with my existing setup. Money wasn't a huge matter, as I would've gone up to about $100 looking for something that fit the bill, but I wound up dropping $18 on one of these:

    Gerber GDC Money Clip - Fixed Blade Knife | Gerber Gear

    Simple, small enough that I can clip it to my coin pocket so the knife is easily accessible, and the quick access lock release on the sheath makes it useful in a pinch.

    My only complaint is it isn't a huge knife. I wish they made a bigger version with something more than 1.75" -- maybe a 3" version in the same basic style that took up more of the sheath / could go further down into your pocket. Just a longer clip, basically.

    @Airborneguy I don't think it could be interpreted as a "knuckle" -- you'd cut yourself pretty easily that way -- or find any reason why it wouldn't fly with NYPD. Anything you can think of here? Seems pretty solid to me.
     
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