Op-Ed Arizona gun laws in L.A.? It could happen

[livingston]

Op-Ed
Arizona gun laws in L.A.? It could happen
alifornians have a lot on the line in the next congressional debate about America’s gun laws. Two bills stacked with legislative sponsors — HB 38 in the House, SB 446 in the Senate — would override our state’s longstanding rules governing who is allowed to carry a concealed, loaded firearm in public. These bills, both called the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, would dictate that if a person can carry a concealed weapon in any state, that person could carry it everywhere in America. This should be a call to action for all Californians concerned about keeping their families safe.

Twelve states do not require any permit to carry hidden, loaded guns within their borders. Some states’ rules have been so ineffective as to allow felons to carry concealed weapons. Not so in California. Our laws require good cause for the issuance of a concealed weapon permit. Applicants must undergo a comprehensive background check. No one with a serious criminal conviction may receive a permit, nor may subjects of temporary or permanent domestic violence restraining orders.

Arizona gun laws in L.A.? It could happen

 

[GUNSICK]

Fuck you.

 

[livingston]

Fuck you.

If you read the whole article they feel that the nation should conform to California laws concerning Conceal Carry if these bills are passed .

 

[GUNSICK]

If you read the whole article they feel that the nation should conform to California laws concerning Conceal Carry if these bills are passed .

I'm so done with people like this.

 

[livingston]

Hawkins: LAPD Chief Warns of Apocalypse if National Concealed Carry Passes - Breitbart
Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck warns that national reciprocity for concealed carry will be a disaster in California.
In a May 25 op-ed published by the Los Angeles Times, Beck wrote, “The mere presence of more concealed weapons on California streets would make police work here much more hazardous.”


Beck did not mention, however, that police officers around the nation support gun rights over gun control and specifically support concealed carry for law-abiding citizens.

On January 11, 2017, Breitbart News reported a Pew Research Center survey showing that rank-and-file police officers support protecting citizens’ gun rights over passing more gun control by a margin of 3-to-1. And on July 15, 2016, Breitbart News reported that the Annual National Survey of Police Chiefs showed that 76 percent of chiefs believed armed citizens reduce crime.

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Moreover, the survey showed “nearly 87 percent” of police chiefs support national reciprocity of concealed carry permits.

Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

Beck based that claim on the fact that U.S. Rep. Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) national reciprocity legislation honors residents from permitless carry states as well as permitting states. But Beck’s claim omits the fact that residents of a permitless state would have to prove their residence via government documentation — i.e., a driver’s license or other valid government ID — before being able to carry legally without a permit.


A permitless concealed carrier visiting California from West Virginia would, in a traffic stop, have to verify his residency in West Virginia via government-issued documentation. To suggest that anyone could claim residency in a permitless carry state and “officers would be unable to confirm whether it is true” is incorrect.

Beck claimed:

Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.

Evidently the real concern is that national reciprocity will loosen the California’s stranglehold on the Second Amendment. It will mean that law-abiding residents denied a local carry permit because of the “good cause” requirement could acquire one in other states where the right to bear arms is sufficient justification for bearing them.


Arguably, the sky will not fall, the California dream will not implode, and police will not be harmed if national reciprocity is enacted. Instead, the people of California will be freer and law-abiding residents from other states will be freer while in California as well.

 

[Burzum]

You guys have it all wrong, LA County is a virtual paradise, isn't their murder rate zero, it must be b/c they are so strict on gun rights (insert sarcasm)?

 

[Airborneguy]

Why don't we just let them go? California is far worse than NY (for now).

 

[Karpteach]

It's unbelievable that CommieFornia and NewYohkistan who have the worst gun laws also have the most crime. Oh no, civilians might possibly be able to protect themselves..... "will be a disaster in California." What bullshit!!!

 

[Cooolone]

Got to be drinking fucking kool-aid if anyone thinks for a split second that CA in any stretch of the imagination wants conformity with anywhere else on the planet that allows it's citizens free will to act as they please! CA is the prime example of Govt out of control. Systematic encroachment daily on controlling lives, how people act, what they should read, etc., you can't even modify a fucking car there because they worry about the air you're breathing. You think they'll adopt gun laws from a free state? Moronic!

Fuck California...

 

[dwa12479]

What sort of asinine piece of ignorant liberal drivel did I just read.

They're getting slaughtered in the article comments.

 

[Steal2B]

What sort of asinine piece of ignorant liberal drivel did I just read.

They're getting slaughtered in the article comments.

After reading page after page of what seems to be like minded comments slamming the linked article and author, all I can say is "God Bless America".

 

[stuck in ny]

Why don't we just let them go? California is far worse than NY (for now).

No it's not. At least they can order what they want, since acceptable multiliation levels are clearly defined.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It truly amazes me that a constitutional right in one state doesn't carry over and apply in another state.

This is a right. Not a privilege.

 

[Catskillkid]

I'm more concerned about California gun laws coming to Arizona. Just as we get cidiots screwing with our laws upstate, Californians are leaving that Worker's Paradise and settling in other states and then voting and changing laws to better reflect the shithole they just left. This is true of nearly every western state (see Colorado as Exhibit A). Hell, even in Wyoming where my uncle lives they're having with problems with retirees from California who want to change all the laws.