Rookie Question: Transporting rifles, ammo, magazines in NY what is allowed?
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meketrefe
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firearms locked in and empty other than those on you and your CCW.
Ammo not in those locked firearms, obviously.
magazines Obviously not inserted in the locked firearms and subject to SAFE BS max capacity, nothing about transportation.
These are all the same considerations whether you go to the range for a day of practice or competition or you are moving to a different home.
Ammo not in those locked firearms, obviously.
magazines Obviously not inserted in the locked firearms and subject to SAFE BS max capacity, nothing about transportation.
These are all the same considerations whether you go to the range for a day of practice or competition or you are moving to a different home.
ArmedCorgi
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Guns have to be sewn into your back seat and you have to lock the ammo in separate containers that you tie ropes to and drag behind the car.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
and good inspection sticker and registration .. insurance .. all lights work ..
The only gun allowed to be loaded and on your person are those listed on your pistol license.
All others like long guns, it's best to transport either in your trunk or rear cargo area, unloaded, in a case, covered not visible and with ammo and mags stored in another case/container. I also transport my long guns with the action open in the extremely unlikely event of an interaction with LEO I think it would make them less jumpy if they immediately visually identify the weapon is clear.
I also have no gun related stickers or paraphernalia on my vehicles. I want to attract absolutely zero attention and drive following all laws.
If I'm ever stopped while transporting guns I'm saying nothing about it unless directly asked if I have weapons on me or in the vehicle or if myself or my vehicles need to be searched for some reason only then if I'm being asked out of the vehicle would I readily volunteer to the officer that I am a legal carrier and currently carrying "how would you like me to proceed getting out of the vehicle so I don't alarm you" before you search me.
I definitely think the less you say, the less cans of worms you open the better and under any normal traffic stop i.e. speeding, rolling through a stop sign it should be a cut and dry interaction absolutely no reason to be discussing weapons so nothing to get all nervous about.
All others like long guns, it's best to transport either in your trunk or rear cargo area, unloaded, in a case, covered not visible and with ammo and mags stored in another case/container. I also transport my long guns with the action open in the extremely unlikely event of an interaction with LEO I think it would make them less jumpy if they immediately visually identify the weapon is clear.
I also have no gun related stickers or paraphernalia on my vehicles. I want to attract absolutely zero attention and drive following all laws.
If I'm ever stopped while transporting guns I'm saying nothing about it unless directly asked if I have weapons on me or in the vehicle or if myself or my vehicles need to be searched for some reason only then if I'm being asked out of the vehicle would I readily volunteer to the officer that I am a legal carrier and currently carrying "how would you like me to proceed getting out of the vehicle so I don't alarm you" before you search me.
I definitely think the less you say, the less cans of worms you open the better and under any normal traffic stop i.e. speeding, rolling through a stop sign it should be a cut and dry interaction absolutely no reason to be discussing weapons so nothing to get all nervous about.
Transporting long guns, make sure they are unloaded. This comes from the DEC hunting laws. you don’t want to get hemmed up for poaching, even if you are not In an area where hunting is possible. If you get an asshole of a game warden they can sight you for leaning a loaded gun against the vehicle. Ammo can be loaded in magazines as long as they are not inserted in the magwell of the long gun.
I would advise to keep the magazines separated from the guns and everything out of sight as Game wardens are rumored to consider loaded magazines a loaded gun. Crazy, I know but we live in interesting times. It is best to have long guns in cases or somewhere out of sight. Same with ammo.
In any case my advice is only break one law at a time, you are less likely to get caught.
I would advise to keep the magazines separated from the guns and everything out of sight as Game wardens are rumored to consider loaded magazines a loaded gun. Crazy, I know but we live in interesting times. It is best to have long guns in cases or somewhere out of sight. Same with ammo.
In any case my advice is only break one law at a time, you are less likely to get caught.
Even if this is allowed, there is no point in doing it. If after taking all the necessary precautions and in very unlikely event you get search or get into a bad accident with all the contents exposed. Unloaded magazines will work in your favor. Loading the magazines at the range is no big deal.
Perception is what gets people in trouble or out of trouble. Avoiding the situations, where the questions of legality even come up.
Saltwater60
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I put my guns unloaded under the back seat of my truck and the ammo is generally in the bed of the truck. I will put the ammo on the floor of the passengers seat. I just keep them out of reach of each other. I never lock my guns. I do keep them out of sight. I was pulled over a few years ago in my way to hunting and the cop asked where I was going. I told him hunting at such and such state park. He said slow down and have a good day. I don’t think he wanted to deal with the whole gun situation at all.
Be careful with this issue. You might want to read up on NYS DEC regulations.
There is a regulation (law perhaps?, not sure) that prohibits having a firearm (handguns excepted) "loaded in either chamber or magazine" in or on a motor vehicle (boats excepted). It is in the DEC hunting guide, I believe. Used to be anyhow.
As told by an old time DEC officer during a class on DEC law ==== This originated in response to "road hunters", guys who would cruise the roads looking for game (deer generally) with a loaded rifle or shotgun handy. Having said loaded gun was the original prohibition.
So the story goes, the wily road hunters' response to this was to leave the gun's chamber open and empty so as to claim the gun was not loaded. So the wording was changed to include chamber OR magazine.
This, then, allowed some zealous DEC officers to cite people who had loaded box magazines "in close proximity" to the gun claiming the ease of inserting a loaded magazine and chambering a round met the intent of the law. When asked if this ever actually held up in court his smiling response was........... "Depends on the judge."
There is a regulation (law perhaps?, not sure) that prohibits having a firearm (handguns excepted) "loaded in either chamber or magazine" in or on a motor vehicle (boats excepted). It is in the DEC hunting guide, I believe. Used to be anyhow.
As told by an old time DEC officer during a class on DEC law ==== This originated in response to "road hunters", guys who would cruise the roads looking for game (deer generally) with a loaded rifle or shotgun handy. Having said loaded gun was the original prohibition.
So the story goes, the wily road hunters' response to this was to leave the gun's chamber open and empty so as to claim the gun was not loaded. So the wording was changed to include chamber OR magazine.
This, then, allowed some zealous DEC officers to cite people who had loaded box magazines "in close proximity" to the gun claiming the ease of inserting a loaded magazine and chambering a round met the intent of the law. When asked if this ever actually held up in court his smiling response was........... "Depends on the judge."
@dsdmmat If you get an asshole of a game warden they can sight you for leaning a loaded gun against the vehicle.
I had one sneak up on me one time when I was in my truck, eating lunch, waiting for my brother in law to show up. Never asked about having a license, only interested in whether the gun was loaded. DEC guys take that seriously.
I had one sneak up on me one time when I was in my truck, eating lunch, waiting for my brother in law to show up. Never asked about having a license, only interested in whether the gun was loaded. DEC guys take that seriously.
Got it: long guns all in cases, not loaded, magazines unloaded and ammo in separate cases all locked in the trunk.
Thanks all. Having 8 kids growing up (yeah age 20 to 60 is till growing up) I put off having guns around, I really am a rookie at this. Yes, I have built 3 AR's so far and can rattle off terms and parts and know where to get them, as I have put many many hours into that part of the hobby/life/passion. I am a I can do anything if put my mind to kind of person and want to now do the using part correct. I know gun safety well, some time ago I took the safety course for hand carry, even though I do not have a pistol permit currently. I think safety is a carry over from the fireworks hobby I have been involved with for years now. I put on a big (1.4g and 1.4g pro only) pyromusical at a summer camp I help at each year and am extra mindful of safety.
My last show if any are interested:
Thanks all. Having 8 kids growing up (yeah age 20 to 60 is till growing up) I put off having guns around, I really am a rookie at this. Yes, I have built 3 AR's so far and can rattle off terms and parts and know where to get them, as I have put many many hours into that part of the hobby/life/passion. I am a I can do anything if put my mind to kind of person and want to now do the using part correct. I know gun safety well, some time ago I took the safety course for hand carry, even though I do not have a pistol permit currently. I think safety is a carry over from the fireworks hobby I have been involved with for years now. I put on a big (1.4g and 1.4g pro only) pyromusical at a summer camp I help at each year and am extra mindful of safety.
My last show if any are interested:
Different Drummer
.44 mag
I have mixed feelings about the issues and some of the answers in regards to carrying a long gun, ammo and magazines in a vehicle.
Anyone who does not possess a Pistol / pistol Lic. certainly has as much right to personal defense as do those of us who have a pistol Lic.
They may choose to have with them something like an 18.5 inch pump magazine fed shotgun or perhaps something like the shockwave. Or any variety of legal compact magazine fed rifles. Or, perhaps a non magazine fed pump action shotgun with a couple of shells dropped in a door panel or someplace similar.. Doesn't take that long to slide a couple of shells into a pump gun. Especially with practice.
Any of those weapons will not be of efficient use if they are locked in the trunk or locked in a case. Empty magazines or loaded magazine locked in some not easily accessible area and far from the weapon would be equally inefficient for personal defense.
I get that the weapon needs to be unloaded because of DEC laws, even if you have not hunted in 40 years and have no intention of hunting. However, I cannot see any law that stipulates the weapon needs to locked in the trunk, magazines that are not inserted into the weapon cannot be loaded or that magazines / ammo needs to be a certain distance from the weapon they are intended for.
Nothing about locking up ammo either.
I know some will say " give it a try and see how that works for you". Plenty of people on the forum sound willing to push the boundaries in other aspects of second amendment rights. Even cross the boundaries. ( I am sure there are folks that own normal capacity magazines).
I agree that out of sight is a wise procedure to follow. However, seems to me that this is another area that people give in to oppression.
Anyone who does not possess a Pistol / pistol Lic. certainly has as much right to personal defense as do those of us who have a pistol Lic.
They may choose to have with them something like an 18.5 inch pump magazine fed shotgun or perhaps something like the shockwave. Or any variety of legal compact magazine fed rifles. Or, perhaps a non magazine fed pump action shotgun with a couple of shells dropped in a door panel or someplace similar.. Doesn't take that long to slide a couple of shells into a pump gun. Especially with practice.
Any of those weapons will not be of efficient use if they are locked in the trunk or locked in a case. Empty magazines or loaded magazine locked in some not easily accessible area and far from the weapon would be equally inefficient for personal defense.
I get that the weapon needs to be unloaded because of DEC laws, even if you have not hunted in 40 years and have no intention of hunting. However, I cannot see any law that stipulates the weapon needs to locked in the trunk, magazines that are not inserted into the weapon cannot be loaded or that magazines / ammo needs to be a certain distance from the weapon they are intended for.
Nothing about locking up ammo either.
I know some will say " give it a try and see how that works for you". Plenty of people on the forum sound willing to push the boundaries in other aspects of second amendment rights. Even cross the boundaries. ( I am sure there are folks that own normal capacity magazines).
I agree that out of sight is a wise procedure to follow. However, seems to me that this is another area that people give in to oppression.
Life is about choices. At the end of the day make what decisions you are comfortable with.
The idea is avoiding problems, where there is risk, but no benefit. That said, concealed firearm is out of the view, with carry permit or not.
@Different Drummer not sure about NY law but Federal Law (interstate transport) does require gun and ammo to be separated and in locked containers if stored in passenger area of vehicles with no trunk suppose this would include RV, etc...
www.law.cornell.edu
18 U.S. Code § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Pretty much this X2.
Just a note, police are NOT allowed to just casually ask if you have firearms or weapons in the vehicle without probable cause. It can't just be a standard question they ask at every traffic stop like "do you know why I pulled you over?"
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Exactly, out of sight is concealed. Whether under a blanket or in a saxophone case decorated with all sorts of musical notes and symbols. My issue is that anyone who cannot legally carry a handgun in their vehicle still has every right to personal defense as those of us who can legally carry a handgun.
Different Drummer
.44 mag
Yes, even though the intent of the Federal law is to allow transport from one State to another I am sure some overzealous DA might try to use that. My intent was for a resident of the State operating solely within their State of residence.@Different Drummer not sure about NY law but Federal Law (interstate transport) does require gun and ammo to be separated and in locked containers if stored in passenger area of vehicles with no trunk suppose this would include RV, etc...
18 U.S. Code § 926A - Interstate transportation of firearms
Also of note on the Federal law, "the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console." I think the word "or" should not be overlooked. It does not say both.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
LOL ..
Uzi
.308 Win
So what if you're transporting a long gun in no car, truck or van, or any vehicle? What if someone wanted to walk, use a bicycle, or a motorcycle instead.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
You guys are right. I forgot about the magazine not being able to be loaded. I regularly keep loaded mags while traveling. I’ll have to be more careful. I keep all my mags stuffed and just toss them in my riffle bag.
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Robin
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Sad state of affairs for America when free men(?) feel the need to ask these questions, feel the need to take these steps when traveling.
Robin
I agree Robin..... they (authorities) make me feel dirty even becasue I have a gun. Same with Fireworks!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
To any questions you might simply say: I respectfully decline answering any questions.
I mean you might say good afternoon and it looks like is going to rain an be a cordial citizen but when it comes to
any sort of questions you basically have the right to say nothing and yes, you have to follow respectfully any commands
an provided license and registration and/or insurance as requested. but other than that what does anyone gain by
answering any questions? I can tell you: Nothing ..... yet risk being entrapped into saying something that will not get you
out of the traffic ticket regardless if you did the infraction of not.
Acer-m14
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forgot where i heard this saying .. you can't talk yourself out of a arrest ; but you can talk yourself into one ...