Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Now what will you load it with? Look what it does with Federal HST.
It turns it into a 200 yard low powered rifle.Interesting 2100 fps!
They don't suck. The objective thing to say is that they have optimal performance within a narrow range of velocites.Free yourself Pod. Hollow Points suck due to unpredictability.
Correct. Also add barriers to that narrow range of performance.They don't suck. The objective thing to say is that they have optimal performance within a narrow range of velocites.
Some hollow points offer acceptable performance through barriers. The HSTS and Gold Dots among them. What are some commonly available solid copper .223/5.56 rounds? At $1 a round or less, anymore than that and the expense is simply not justified.Correct. Also add barriers to that narrow range of performance.
I posted another video in another thread of an HST fragmenting after hitting bone and almost frozen meat.Some hollow points offer acceptable performance through barriers. The HSTS and Gold Dots among them. What are some commonly available solid copper .223/5.56 rounds? At $1 a round or less, anymore than that and the expense is simply not justified.
I like to practice with what I pland to use. I also like to stash 2k rounds so cost is a significant factor. I'd rather have a shit ton of good ammo than a small quantity of excellent ammo. See the thread I posted on the matter.I posted another video in another thread of an HST fragmenting after hitting bone and almost frozen meat.
Commonly available 5.56 rounds are available online. You have the hollow point ones...
Barnes VOR-TX Ammo 5.56x45mm NATO 70 Grain TSX Hollow - MPN: 31191
And solid ones...
223 Rem SCS® Brush Hog® - 55Gr Rifle Ammo
I don't concern myself with the price of 1 dollar a round. I spend $150 for a loadout that I'm not going to shoot. The rest is FMJ for practice.
Well then I can't help you there. Perhaps reloading should be in your future when you have time.I like to practice with what I pland to use. I also like to stash 2k rounds so cost is a significant factor. I'd rather have a shit ton of good ammo than a small quantity of excellent ammo. See the thread I posted on the matter.
I practice with the good stuff to reverify zeros, check for function, and to keep track of the POI relative to the practice ammo. At 100 yards the difference in POI between 55gr FMJ and 64gr Gold Dots is minimal. The Gold Dots group tighter than most bulk ammo though. I still really like the 223 Gold Dot stuff.Well then I can't help you there. Perhaps reloading should be in your future when you have time.
For me, i don't concern myself with what I shoot for practice. I don't shoot for MOA. Minute of chest is all I need for 300 yards or less and any FMJ does that.
My opinion is that they have great potential for providing cheap practice ammo but the price right now is too high. I have not been impressed by Ballistics tests as of yet.What’s your guys opinions on the new polymer copper blend rounds? They have interested me since hearing about them.
The way lead is being phased out of just about everything, the price should come down some, but copper is in high demand. Steel shot for shotguns was initially quite expensive in the 1970's and 80'sI must admit I am slowly changing my opinion of the solid copper rounds. The Ruger PC certainly presents itself as a good application for this type of ammunition. The stuff is still far to expensive though. I wonder if solid copper rounds could get down to $.50 or less a round if they were more widely manufactured?
Indeed, copper is expensive. This is why I share @Saltwater60's enthusiasm for the poly blend bullets. These, combined with polymer cases could make ammo affordable again. The tech isn't quite there yet. I am very interested to see what the Army's R&D efforts along these lines come up with. I'm not holding my breath though.The way lead is being phased out of just about everything, the price should come down some, but copper is in high demand. Steel shot for shotguns was initially quite expensive in the 1970's and 80's
In the late 70's and early 80's the Army briefly experimented with 'caseless' ammo. Fell flat.Indeed, copper is expensive. This is why I share @Saltwater60's enthusiasm for they poly blend bullets. These, combined with polymer cases could make ammo affordable again. The tech isn't quite there yet. I am very interested to see what the Army's R&D efforts along these lines come up with. I'm not holding my breath though.
Currently they claim to be far along in the development of a telescoped, polymer cased cartridge. Supposedly to replace the 5.56x45.In the late 70's and early 80's the Army briefly experimented with 'caseless' ammo. Fell flat.
Nah the the Ruger PC dosen't have the range or power of the M1 Carbine which was a solid 200 yard Carbine. The M1s role was taken over by the M16 series. Both M1s really.I think Will has the accuracy requirement for this rifle type and purpose pegged. Basically re-inventing the M1 Carbine using today's technology, with the added advantage of being able to use the same (extremely popular and relatively economical) ammo in both rifle and pistol (also popular concept in the Old West).
True. I never said 'first' reinventionNah the the Ruger PC dosen't have the range or power of the M1 Carbine which was a solid 200 yard Carbine. The M1s role was taken over by the M16 series. Both M1s really.
My point is that the M1 Carbine and the Ruger PC, despite some external similarities of appearance, are quite different in performance, function and application.True. I never said 'first' reinvention
I understood and understand. I put a smile/wink emoji after my statement and it didn't appear.My point is that the M1 Carbine and the Ruger PC, despite some external similarities of appearance, are quite different in performance, function and application.
The M1 Carbine is actually a very unique gun, it doesn't precisely fit into any category. The best category it does fit into is a PDW. Tbe first PDW in fact.
By comparison the Ruger PC is pretty much a civilian version of a submachine gun.
New Yorkistan version.....lol. All your missing out on is a threaded muzzle. Big deal!Not to derail this thread, but anyone know if the New Yorkastan version of the PCC is available to order/in stock. I have a weakness for take-downs and would like to pick one up.