the Responsible Body Armor Possession Act

[DrBleachCocktail]

H.R.4568 - Responsible Body Armor Possession Act

116th CONGRESS 1st Session

H. R. 4568

To prohibit the purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians, with exceptions.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 27, 2019
Ms. Meng (for herself, Mr. Quigley, Mr. Hastings, Ms. Brownley of California, Ms. Norton, Mr. Engel, Mr. Johnson of Georgia, Ms. Velázquez, Ms. Jackson Lee, and Mr. Carson of Indiana) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
A BILL
To prohibit the purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians, with exceptions.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the “Responsible Body Armor Possession Act”.
SEC. 2. BAN ON PURCHASE, OWNERSHIP, OR POSSESSION OF ENHANCED BODY ARMOR BY CIVILIANS; EXCEPTIONS.

(a) Ban.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Chapter 44of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
Ҥ 932. Ban on purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians
“(a) Except as provided in subsection (b), it shall be unlawful for a person to purchase, own, or possess enhanced body armor.
“(b) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
“(1) a purchase, ownership, or possession by or under the authority of—
“(A) the United States or any department or agency of the United States; or
“(B) a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
“(2) a qualified law enforcement officer; or
“(3) enhanced body armor that was lawfully possessed by any person at any time before the date this section takes effect.
“(c) In this section, the term ‘qualified law enforcement officer’ means any current or former officer (including a corrections officer), agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision of a State authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of the laws of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision of a State.”.
(2) CLERICAL AMENDMENT.—The table of sections for chapter 44of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

“932. Ban on purchase, ownership, or possession of enhanced body armor by civilians.”.
(b) Enhanced Body Armor Defined.—Section 921(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(36) The term ‘enhanced body armor’ means body armor, including a helmet or shield, the ballistic resistance of which meets or exceeds the ballistic performance of Type III armor, determined using such standard as the National Institute of Justice has in effect at the time at which a person purchases, owns, or possesses such armor.”.
(c) Penalties.—Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end the following:
“(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 932 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.”.

 

[dsdmmat]

They have been trying, since 1993.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Anyone who is interested..

Hoplite armor sells NIJ certified triple curved multi hit rated stand alone ceramic plates level IV starting at 450 for the set.. front and back combo..

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

They have been trying, since 1993.

I’m sick and tired of them fucking being sneaky saying it’s for the public’s safety.

 

[meketrefe]

They are pissing against the wind.

 

[Blimey]

I'd buy some but it has a shelf life, right? Is that shelf life just total bullshit? I assume mostly it is... ? Ceramic plates won't age, but what about kevlar?

There's really actually something terribly sick about the government banning people from buying something that prevents them from being killed if they are shot.

 

[Elwood]

Awesome idea, ban protective equipment for safety? Safety of who ? More bullshit legislation that serves no purpose. The typical exemption bullshit even for retirees. And as usual no thought by politicians about the possible ramifications, or the law abiding people they will criminalize.

 

[meketrefe]

I'd buy some but it has a shelf life, right? Is that shelf life just total bullshit? I assume mostly it is... ? Ceramic plates won't age, but what about kevlar?

There's really actually something terribly sick about the government banning people from buying something that prevents them from being killed if they are shot.

Not really. AR500 steel is still pretty effective and functional even if the liner degrades after a few years.

 

[meketrefe]

Awesome idea, ban protective equipment for safety? Safety of who ? More bullshit legislation that serves no purpose. The typical exemption bullshit even for retirees. And as usual no thought by politicians about the possible ramifications, or the law abiding people they will criminalize.

These laws are made by people who do not have anything productive to do and somehow they justify their existence by producing this nonsense.
They should be drafted in toilet paper with the purpose to be properly recycled.

 

[Toecutter]

People need to “protest” at these politicians houses

 

[Elwood]

These laws are made by people who do not have anything productive to do and somehow they justify their existence by producing this nonsense.
They should be drafted in toilet paper with the purpose to be properly recycled.

We’re in fucking Bizzaro world at this point, these politicians cities are burning down around them and all their worried about is who has Kevlar and plates.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'd buy some but it has a shelf life, right? Is that shelf life just total bullshit? I assume mostly it is... ? Ceramic plates won't age, but what about kevlar?

There's really actually something terribly sick about the government banning people from buying something that prevents them from being killed if they are shot.

10 year shelf life.. after that they no longer stand by the rating..


But 450 ÷ 10 years. That's like $4 a month

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not really. AR500 steel is still pretty effective and functional even if the liner degrades after a few years.

Yup wont die from bullet holes.. just spawling

 

[Darth]

There's really actually something terribly sick about the government banning people from buying something that prevents them from being killed if they are shot.

No, it's ok, they called it something cute.

 

[Vapor]

There are various options and tests I've seen on spall. I've seen some where it completely contained. Others, where it became an issue after a few rounds.


I have a steel set now. I would like to upgrade to some ceramic plates. Keep the steel as a back up. Rma plates are $135 each. Level 4 ceramic.


Honestly, some 3A soft armor is more likely the save your life if it's in a backpack you can carry everyday.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

These laws are made by people who do not have anything productive to do and somehow they justify their existence by producing this nonsense.
They should be drafted in toilet paper with the purpose to be properly recycled.

Most of the legislative of every state and especially the federal government is a waste of time and money. Their job should not be full time or even neccessary on an everyday or even biweekly or monthly basis. I say this because a sitting body of legislators will legislate for the sake of legislating and not for the sake of the country. Or to advance a personal or party designated agenda that again, has nothing to do with the good of the country or state.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

10 year shelf life.. after that they no longer stand by the rating..


But 450 ÷ 10 years. That's like $4 a month

What is that based on? Or is it just a no guarantee guarantee written by lawyers?

 

[Edwardteach72]

What is that based on? Or is it just a no guarantee guarantee written by lawyers?

The last part.. pretty much lots of factors degrade body armor over time, uv light, sweat, things like that and so the manufacturer gives it a 10 year warranty or shelf life..

 

[ArmedCorgi]

The last part.. pretty much lots of factors degrade body armor over time, uv light, sweat, things like that and so the manufacturer gives it a 10 year warranty or shelf life..

And to think, they just dug up a tile floor from the classical Romans....

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Too late.

 

[Cooolone]

There are legitimate use for these innocuous items that appear to befuddle the uneducated legislators that have the "scared of their own shadows syndrome"...

Is ridiculous!

I’m sick and tired of them fucking being sneaky saying it’s for the public’s safety.

Hahaha, it's not really sneaky, it's in your face, every single time! And oh, don't forget the other catch phrases like "reasonable"... Wait for the poll that says a "majority" of gun owners support the ban, etc., etc., etc! Lol

 

[Elwood]

What is that based on? Or is it just a no guarantee guarantee written by lawyers?

The shelf life is pretty much on kevler, has to do with the NIJ standard and rating. The length of time is relative to how much it’s worn, conditions it’s worn in. I wear 3A Kevlar everyday, after some time the Kevlar will loosen with movement, the corners may curl by the abdomen from sitting . Exposure to the elements also affects it, soaks up water like a sponge in the rain, takes days to completely dry out. Usually it’s 5 years on Kevlar from manufacturers, I replaced my original vest at 4 years just to play it safe since I wear it all day everyday year round. Plates just add too much weight for me to be able to work, and the hybrid plates are just to bulky width wise.

 

[Edwardteach72]

The shelf life is pretty much on kevler, has to do with the NIJ standard and rating. The length of time is relative to how much it’s worn, conditions it’s worn in. I wear 3A Kevlar everyday, after some time the Kevlar will loosen with movement, the corners may curl by the abdomen from sitting . Exposure to the elements also affects it, soaks up water like a sponge in the rain, takes days to completely dry out. Usually it’s 5 years on Kevlar from manufacturers, I replaced my original vest at 4 years just to play it safe since I wear it all day everyday year round. Plates just add too much weight for me to be able to work, and the hybrid plates are just to bulky width wise.

Have you looked into the special threat plates by hasco?

 

[Elwood]

Not yet, gonna have to take a look

 

[Edwardteach72]

Not yet, gonna have to take a look

One down side is it isnt NIJ certified but it's not like they are rifle targets shaped like body armor (ar500) they are Hasco plates

 

[ApexerER]

I am planning on getting my daughter one of those backpacks when she goes to college in two years.....Sure can't hurt....

 

[Curmudgeon]

If there's laws against shooting people, this law doesn't need to exist.

 

[@thewheels]

We’re in fucking Bizzaro world at this point, these politicians cities are burning down around them and all their worried about is who has Kevlar and plates.

People in power play their fiddles while the world burns? History sure does rhyme.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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Anything level 3 and up is proposed to be banned.

There is a clause to allow for the grandfather of previously purchased.

I can't understand why the government has a problem with civilians being allowed passive protection.....

 

[Apeman]

They can just keep making it and call it target steel. It just happens to be shaped to fit into carriers. What a coincidence.