Victor (NY) man fires bullet into home while cleaning gun

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  1. Patriot

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  2. UltraT

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    I'll just clean my gun real quick. LOL :rolleyes:
     
  3. GOYABEAN

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  4. carpediem

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    According to some, if it was a .45 it wouldn't even get through one wall!!:eek:
     
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  5. misunderestimated

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    I say to every one who owns a gun, check,check,and recheck. have a simple process and follow it every time. EVERY TIME!

    I remove my mag, bring slide to rear, stick my pinky in magazine well ,stick my pink in chamber as I am visibly looking that nothing is in chamber. I look away and repeat . as crazy as it may seem its a very simple and effective way to re assure your self you have an unloaded fire arm.
     
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  6. Deplorable Me

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    In general more and more people are owning consumer things they don't know how to operate. Some items (key words here) are "potentially" more dangerous than others. People do not read owner's manuals, many manuals are free, on line etc. We live in a world of more and faster information yet we are more ignorant than ever before.
     
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  7. Deplorable Me

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    Basic NRA instruction compliance would have prevented this. Glock manuals are well written and if read would also have prevented this. A minimum of two points of failure here.

    Guess he earned a moron participation award.
     
  8. 71velle

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    I must be strange, I make sure I have an unloaded gun before cleaning.
     
  9. ArmedCorgi

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    Hardly the handgun's fault, even if you don't like Glock. Who the heck cleans a gun loaded? How can you clean a gun while it's loaded? Sounds to me more like "cleaning" was the excuse he used for playing around with a loaded gun.
     
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  10. Bob

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    In order to field strip a Glock, you have to first depress the trigger. Don't check the chamber first, and you'll send a round flying. This is exactly the reason why a number of law enforcement agencies refuse to consider Glocks for their primary sidearm.
     
  11. 4excal

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    Meh, a gun that makes you pull a trigger to clean it really is idiotic in my eyes. There's bound to be a fool that will forget it's loaded. Quite shocked that Glock and so many others still make this the way to strip.
     
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  12. misunderestimated

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    This is a people problem not an object problem . You can't blame the gun. It's the same argument we have with unreasonable gun control laws when they blame the gun not the shooter . As mentioned simple, basic , NRA trading could of avoided this
     
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  13. dwa12479

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    Complacency kills. Sounds like someone wasn't focused and paying attention.

    Either that, or the "cleaning accident" always seems to be good cover when you're doing something stupid.
     
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  14. MilesTeg

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    I don't get the hatred for needing to pull the trigger to disassemble a gun. Because I really don't want to be disassembling one in the pipe either, that's asking for trouble also. If I'm not mistaken the M&P line doesn't require a trigger pull to disassemble. So if there's one in the chamber and you start disassembling the firearm how easy it would be to have it pointed towards yourself and accidently discharging it. I would rather know I had to pull the trigger and point it in a safe direction with pulling the trigger.
     
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  15. ArmedCorgi

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    I know, I own a Glock 23. My rule of thumb when handling a pistol, is that when you pick one up you can either fire it or clear it. If you are not at the range or in a situation where you want the gun to go off, you clear the weapon. This whole excuse of "I was cleaning the gun" is misleading and isn't correct. Maybe you were about to clean the gun, but you never got that far because you mishandled the pistol and it went off.
     
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  16. Deplorable Me

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    Actually you save time if you clean the gun, bullets and polish the trigger all assembled.
     
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  17. 4excal

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    I know it definitely is a people problem. But how dumb can these companies be to assume everyone is perfect manual readers that never will get distracted or drink or take "prescribed" meds..just don't give them the chance for an issue. Design it without pulling the trigger of a firearm..like every other gun manufacturer that doesn't make you do that, and the issue disappears. Then there's the fool that has his gun cocked and locked and still does it, and for that, you can't fix stupid.
     
  18. ArmedCorgi

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    I see your point, but whenever I look into a new gun, I'm always concerned with the manual of arms. I understand some people aren't but when it comes to things like firearms, it seems one should be.
     
  19. dwa12479

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    It makes for a quick easy sear disconnect though. Imagine if that gun malfunctions for some reason and you have to field strip it in a gunfight. 1911 guys are effed for sure.
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    Shooting at an RDPA event last winter, @GTN had what he thought may have been a squib load in his G19. It didn't sound right at all to us in the observation area either. He had the barrel out for inspection in about 10 seconds, back together in another 30 or so, and was back in the fight.
     
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  21. 4excal

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    Oooookay ok! I get the point!



    :p
     
  22. dwa12479

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    Whoops. Double tap. :tommy:
     
  23. tirwin1

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    Agree 100%. Every time I touch one of my pistols I always check as a matter of routine. For new gun owners in particular I think it's almost impossible to be too paranoid about gun safety. With rights come responsibilities......
     
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  24. Mr. terzmo

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    Not checking the chamber is like sticking a hand under a running lawn mower....Forest had it right..."stupid is as stupid does"
     
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  25. Uzi

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  26. timboy

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    And according to others the house would have fell over. Lol
     
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  27. 4excal

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    Oh yeah, I guess I'll add that, I have to strip my taurus 709 that same Glockish way:eek: I read that line in the manual like 4x thinking I was reading it wrong..
     
  28. FrankenCub

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    Are you to also blame Toro for the idiots that use their snow blowers to clear their roofs? Or Ford/Chevy/etc for the idiots driving 90mph through the city?
    We keep making exception for morons throughout society and then wonder how the hell did we get here.
    Is it that much of an issue to actually look in the friggin chamber to see if a round is present? I have yet to find an instance when I couldn't see the chamber of my Walther or Glock. I have one basic rule. If you can't follow firearms safety, you shouldn't own or use one. I don't care if it's military, LEO, or private citizen. There's NO excuse for lack of general safety practices.
     
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  29. FrankenCub

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    That's a good point. I had an issue with my 1911 at a match and ended up forfeiting the centerfire match. PITA to field strip in a rush. My Walther is a breeze like the Glocks.
     
  30. Cooolone

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    I don't know, it must just be me...

    Every single time I "TOUCH" my gun... I know, repeat I "KNOW" it's loaded! Even when it isn't... But really, all my guns, every single one is loaded, every mag is loaded whether it be in my carry rig, or spares, all ready to go, always! What do you do when SHTF, ask geeeee, wait a moment, I need to load my mag? Anyways...

    So, when I'm handling it, it's loaded, I exercise the proper firearm safety rules required to avoid this type of scenario! And when I bought my Glock, and still now, it bothers me that the breakdown requires a trigger pull. But when you consider the design, it's actually a good Darwin device! With the exception these idiots don't observe other safety rules as well, like not pointing the Damned thing "UP" when pulling the trigger, ie, safe direction! Maybe glock should have written the directions to point the gun at your face when pulling the trigger, or look down the barrel when pulling the trigger to release the slide. Maybe then these idiots would make sure they're unloaded.

    So, I have no love lost for these idiots who somehow or another, even for a second, think with their empty brains, that the gun is unloaded when they didn't look, check, rack, etc., "BEFORE" pulling the trigger! Just a Damned idiot numbskull moron!

    : )
     
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