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freddy
.308 Win
I have stuffed 11 rounds in an OEM Glock "10 round" mag.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
All my lancer mags work perfect. All work on a closed bolt.
They are my favorite mags.
They are my favorite mags.
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
All my 10rd mags fit 11 except the rotary ones for 10/22 and 77/22.
When you stuff an additional round above the nominal capacity of a magazine you are using up the follower travel that allows it to be loaded under a closed bolt.
Since the 10/30 and 10/20 Lancer mags use a blind rivet to cap its capacity I wouldn't be suprised if they won't load under a closed bolt with 10 in either.
Since the 10/30 and 10/20 Lancer mags use a blind rivet to cap its capacity I wouldn't be suprised if they won't load under a closed bolt with 10 in either.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Lancer makes 10 round (short) mags.
Some people just have to have the "look" of the 10/30s though.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Looks are everything. Then you hear fake excuses on why it isn't about looks.
"It's easier to grab a fake 30 Rd magazine." I can't use a conventional type stock. It makes my wrist hurt."
No offense to anyone but you aren't fooling anyone. Just admit that looks are more important to you in regards to function with rifles. Looks are also more important in regards to weight and bulk savings with fake standard capacity magazines.
freddy
.308 Win
There is another reason. If you want to be able to revert to the proper full-functioning system (shoot in a free state, or, SHTF) then a fixed mag AR with 10/30 mags is the fastest-to-convert and least expensive way to go.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
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freddy
.308 Win
C'mon Will. Don't be silly man.
The finest fighting rifle ever conceived: The one and only AR platform as originally designed by God (through the mind of Eugene Stoner).
Plus/minus any refinements through the years.
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freddy
.308 Win
Yes, certainly can be. Fixing a mag on an AR costs under $20. Eliminating the flash suppressor, pistol grip, and collapsible stock costs about 10 times that, correct? Not to mention the resale devaluation to what was once a perfectly good rifle. Now add in the cost of mags. Go buy a bunch of 10 round mags. Now if you want real, manly 30 round mags, you get to go buy them all over again. If you own 20+ mags it adds up real quick. Better off to get the 10/30 mags just one time. Besides, all gear (chest rigs, mag pouches, plate carriers, battle belts, etc) only work well (or at all) with 30 round mags.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That doesn't answer the question. Is a muzzle device that important to you that you would sacrifice the ability to reload magazines for defense or training? Because that's the only thing you gain by fixing the magazine. A featureless becomes a full featured AR minus a muzzle device with the removal of one grip screw. It's in fact easier and faster to convert.C'mon Will. Don't be silly man.
Only the finest fighting rifle ever conceived: The AR platform as originally designed by God (through Eugene Stoner).
Plus/minus any refinements through the years.
M4 carbine - Wikipedia
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. It doesn't cost that much. Don't be ridiculous. An additional pistol grip and a collapsible stock costs about an extra 40 bucks if you go with standard parts. You buy a gun every month. You can afford 40 bucks.
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freddy
.308 Win
I don't understand. The Thordsen itself can cost $150, then add more for bastardizing the muzzle of the barrel. Then add even more money for mags. The point is it costs less money to go fixed mag, and it is significantly faster to return to a full-function fighting rifle.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But you cannot train with it. All you can do is pretend it's real. You aren't bastardizing anything. You build or buy it that way.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I edited an above post.
freddy
.308 Win
You certain can train with it. All you need is the right location.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So can someone with a featureless build if he goes to PA and changes the grip with the removal of one screw. That's what I do. In NY I can still train with it.
freddy
.308 Win
But you still have to buy the Thordsen, no?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If you build it. Most don't and buy it that way.
freddy
.308 Win
And the extra cost of the Thordsen is in the purchase price.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's about the same. A complete rifle goes between 800 to over 1000 depending on the one you get. You don't see the extra cost.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
freddy
.308 Win
One more reason to get 10/30 mags. From what I have read, in 1994 the value of 30 round AR mags went north of $100. If (when) another national ban happens you may be very glad to have the 10/30 mags.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What are you talking about? The only 10/30 mags that you can convert are Gen 1 Hex mags.
freddy
.308 Win
Last I checked, apples to apples, a NY featureless rifle costs 10-20% more than an equivalent proper full functioning rifle. True, I have not checked in a while though.
freddy
.308 Win
And on what do you base this statement exactly? There are other factory 10/30 mags are easy to restore (simply remove rivet) if you go out of NY state.
If another ban happens I'll be needing the full 30.
As for Fixed vs Featureless........ I agree with @Willjr75, the AR15 has a closed action. You will need to drop the magazine from time to time for remedial action. How can you hope to fix a bolt override with a fixed mag for example?
Bottom line is however goofy looking a featureless rilfe looks, its still a practical arm. A fixed magazine AR is a toy.
And in the space a 10/30 mag takes up in a pouch you could stuff two 10 rounders and double your loadout for the same amount of space.
God am I glad I moved outta NYS!