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spat said:
Sure, but we weren't afraid Iran would get involved and start WWIII either.
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You know you have guidance issues when you miss the country you are aiming at.

And you know you have leadership issues when accidentally lob weapons into a country you absolutely do not want to involve.
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Your point was guidance and leadership issues.

My point was ,we did the same unintentionally , Nothing to do with either. Missile could have malfunctioned , been jammed, or damaged.

It certainly doesn't seem like a sneak attack against Poland requiring a massive response.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Both sides have s300s so it going to be impossible to tell who they belong to. It's not going to change anything everyone will already believe their echo chamber narrative
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Serial numbers on the weapon so we can trace it. I mean I have to have serial numbers on mine for that reason.
 
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Looking more and more these explosions and bombs do in fact belong to the Ukraine
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Maybe, but it doesn't matter. Both sides will point fingers at each other. When a conflict is fueled with high tech weapons as NATO is doing in Ukraine, it will spread. There is no way to avoid it. Poland, Baltic States and Great Britain are pushing towards nuclear war. Other NATO members not as much. It appears U.S. is having second thoughts. Washington and Moscow are negotiating behind the scene, unsuccesfuly so far.
 
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DEBRIS INSIDE POLAND APPEARS TO BE OF A UKRAINIAN S-300 ROCKET

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Today was the biggest rocket attack on Ukrainian infrastructure, even according to Ukrainian sources. Most of the large cities are without power. Interestingly it comes after a marathone of high level meetings between Russian, U.S., Iranian and Chinese leaders and officials. This points to Russian victory on diplomatic front.

Ukraine keeps upping the conditions for an end to hostilities beyond of what most NATO countries see as reasonable. Russian position is more pragmatic, which gives Kiev jackasses more rope to hang themselves.
 
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I honestly don't give a shit where the missile came from. To me it's irrelevant and isn't changing anything.

The powers that be, will use this missile to further whatever it is that they are trying to accomplish. The end justifies the means. Proof won't matter or be needed. Even if "proof" is offered it's not changing anyone's opinion because you won't believe it's genuine if it hurts your sides cause. There's so much misinformation out there people will use this however they want.

The people like us on this forum will ultimately suffer ww3 expands, the economy falls further, the east and west continue decoupling. That's what matters. This has potential to create a new chain of events and unintended consequences that will impact us. That's what I care about and what matters to me.
 
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There are only two choices for NATO. It can escalate or de-escalate. Washington was banking on regime change in Russia as the ultimate goal. That will not happen, I just don't see a pro-Western leader in Russia having any real support after what already took place.The only pressure on Putin comes from anti-Western side. Russian people are very angry after years of American backed neo-Nazis raping and killing people in Donbas and human garbage from all over Europe flocking to Donbas Safari.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Maybe, but it doesn't matter. Both sides will point fingers at each other. When a conflict is fueled with high tech weapons as NATO is doing in Ukraine, it will spread. There is no way to avoid it. Poland, Baltic States and Great Britain are pushing towards nuclear war. Other NATO members not as much. It appears U.S. is having second thoughts. Washington and Moscow are negotiating behind the scene, unsuccesfuly so far.
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Well Germany doesn't have much of an army, and Im sure they have no intentions of ever fighting Russia again, British have a small army . France, Well France. Italy wont even support Ukraine . The only one that has any real juice is the US , and Our army is to small
 
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Mosinitis said:
Nazis => WWII. Ukraine was a major battleground during invasion and liberation of the Soviet Union. It is soaked with Russian blood.
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Pretty sure there's more Ukrainian blood there.

Also dying a lot in some place does not give you a claim to it.

Otherwise Germany and France would own the whole western half of Russia LOL.
 
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KYIV, UKRAINE — The United States has solved the crisis in Ukraine after Congress voted to install a "gun-free zone" sign in Ukraine. The sign is expected to put an end to the Russia-Ukraine crisis, which began in 2014 with fighting in isolated regions before escalating to a full-scale land...
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holdover said:
Your point was guidance and leadership issues.

My point was ,we did the same unintentionally , Nothing to do with either. Missile could have malfunctioned , been jammed, or damaged.

It certainly doesn't seem like a sneak attack against Poland requiring a massive response.
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No, it absolutely isn't a sneak attack, and the wise decision for all is to just say "bad Russia, don't do that again".

But, the point is that it is obviously a major international incident, and for the same reasons the US took great pains not to cross into China during the Korean war, Russia should have done the same here.

They have already bitten off more than they can chew, and they don't want to do anything to antagonize anyone else. If you know your weapons are that inaccurate, you do not fire them that close to the border.

I am assuming the intended target was well within Ukraine, and they had no intention of landing them in Poland. Some borders should be given a wide berth to avoid any possibility of a mistake.

Imagine a commercial airliner that was shot down while flying right along the border. Half the people would blame the combatants for shooting it down, and the other half would blame the airline for flying so close to the border. Neither of them would be wrong.
 
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spat said:
Pretty sure there's more Ukrainian blood there.

Also dying a lot in some place does not give you a claim to it.

Otherwise Germany and France would own the whole western half of Russia LOL.
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Wrong. Ukrainian front was comprised of the entire Soviet population and Russians were the largest ethnic group.
American post-WWII policy of recycling Nazis in the cold war may have worked in countries that were allied or close to Nazi Germany during the war. It is turning into a disaster in Ukraine. Ukrainian conflict didn't start on February 24th.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Today was the biggest rocket attack on Ukrainian infrastructure, even according to Ukrainian sources. Most of the large cities are without power. Interestingly it comes after a marathone of high level meetings between Russian, U.S., Iranian and Chinese leaders and officials. This points to Russian victory on diplomatic front.

Ukraine keeps upping the conditions for an end to hostilities beyond of what most NATO countries see as reasonable. Russian position is more pragmatic, which gives Kiev jackasses more rope to hang themselves.
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I think the reasonable conditions are "Russia packs up all their shit and goes home, and pays Ukraine reparations for all the damage they caused".

Anything less is catching the burgler in the act and "compromising" by letting him keep the TV but not the stereo.

I bet Ukraine settles for just "they leave" though.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Wrong. Ukrainian front was comprised of the entire Soviet population and Russians were the largest ethnic group.
American post-WWII policy of recycling Nazis in the cold war may have worked in countries that were allied or close to Nazi Germany during the war. It is turning into a disaster in Ukraine. Ukrainian conflict didn't start on February 24th.
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Are you seriously claiming that more Russians were killed in Ukraine than Ukrainians ?
 
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Are you seriously claiming that more Russians were killed in Ukraine than Ukrainians ?
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Yes, even among civilian casualties. Soviet passports had section 6 where ethnicity was listed. "Russian" was the most common throughout territory Ukraine claims as its own.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Yes, even among civilian casualties. Soviet passports had section 6 where ethnicity was listed. "Russian" was the most common throughout territory Ukraine claims as its own.
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"Soviet passports"

There's a reliable source of data if ever I saw one.

That's like using 1940s German passports as a metric to measure how many Jewish people were living in Berlin LOL.
 
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