Russ Woody
.357 mag
I thought all this BS was set aside by the Supreme Court. I had a discussion with a fella and he says its illegal. What says the brain trust here?
Can we CCW in a bar/restaurant in NY Legally?
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
Right now I believe it would technically be only with permission from the bar/restaurant.
Not the case. You are confusing 2 laws. Private property owners may give permission to allow carry. Sensitive locations specifically named have no opt-in ability by the owner. That's why there are lawsuits for church carry where not even the pastor/priest etc (even one who lives at the church) is allowed to carry there. It is outright banned.
Yep, walk into any business and announce in your loudest voice " I AM CARRYING A GUN IS THAT OK WITH YOU AND YOUR CUSTOMERS, I DO NOT WANT TO OFFEND ANYONE, RIGHT?
What would the French Resistance do?
Will sure make a hit at Applebees and your local tavern. Maybe you do need that 38 hour course.
If you have a CCP, maybe you should not, if you have to second guess yourself...you never pull a gun except to defend yourself and shoot......... not to intimidate, warn or otherwise display a CW to show you are a very very smart and dangerous person not to be messed with.
Where you carry it is personal, and not for public discussion.
Be fucking invisible.
What would the French Resistance do?
Will sure make a hit at Applebees and your local tavern. Maybe you do need that 38 hour course.
If you have a CCP, maybe you should not, if you have to second guess yourself...you never pull a gun except to defend yourself and shoot......... not to intimidate, warn or otherwise display a CW to show you are a very very smart and dangerous person not to be messed with.
Where you carry it is personal, and not for public discussion.
Be fucking invisible.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Even though concealed is concealed, you should recognize that there is a risk.
Start choking on a chicken bone during that Applebee's dinner, and the responding EMTs might very well unconceal it on you.
So, you need to balance that risk against the risk that you will actually *need* that gun during dinner.
Both are very low odds, and both result in a very bad day, so the math gets a bit fuzzy there.
The only truly safe option is to skip Applebee's altogether, and even that depends on the quality of your wife's cooking....
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Folks I understand I live like a recluse .. Well almost
In my travels out and about I see almost no establishments welcoming a person with a gun. That is the sad state of affairs we live in. The question is not ... concealed is concealed ... Rather if it is illegal
Folks I understand I live like a recluse .. Well almost
We're in NY, everything is illegal.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And a felony, everything is a felony!
Robin
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So much for the I and II Amendments. What U.S. Constitution, this is New York SSR.
Robin
Get a better attitude komrade, dear leader of NY knows we are better off without such dangerous antiquated ideas, dear leader is looking out for us.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well, I ain't even gonna try.
Robin Hale
Robin Hale
Russ Woody
.357 mag
I definitely would have permission from the owner in this one horse village. I made him a sign like what someone here posted and he hung it in his bar.
He has guns also. More than one.
I am going to continue carrying anywhere I want except the Fed, State and county office bldgs.
Concealed IS Concealed
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
As I understand it, no carry in any restaurant that serves alcohol or any bar/tavern. You can carry at one's risk but if the feecee's hit the rotary blades I wouldn't want to be stopped. Also, alcohol in one's system in relation to a shooting is a no-no. Blood tests are taken off everyone involved in firing a weapon. Don't shoot the messenger guys.
Care to give a source for the statement "blood tests are taken off of everyone involved in firing a weapon"?
I've been a cop for 15 years, and the closest I've ever heard of anything coming close to this was NYPD's requirement for any Officer involved in a shooting to submit to an Alcosensor (Preliminary Breath Test) per their Patrol Guide.
I've been a cop for 15 years, and the closest I've ever heard of anything coming close to this was NYPD's requirement for any Officer involved in a shooting to submit to an Alcosensor (Preliminary Breath Test) per their Patrol Guide.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
At one gun course I took the explanation was if the main source of income came from food or liquor was the determining factor.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Any person who carries a firearm, shotgun, rifle or air gun in this City shall be deemed to have given consent to a breath test and a chemical test of the person's breath, blood, urine or saliva for the purpose of determining the alcoholic or drug content of the person's blood, provided that any test is administered at the direction of a police officer having reasonable grounds therefor. A chemical test must be administered within two hours after such person has been placed under arrest for a violation of this section or any other law or ordinance involving the use or possession of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or air gun, or within two hours after a breath test indicates that alcohol has been consumed by such person. Upon the trial of any action arising out of an arrest for a violation of Subsection H, I or J of this section, the court shall admit evidence of the amount of alcohol or drugs in the blood of the person carrying the firearm, shotgun, rifle or air gun as shown by a test administered pursuant to this section. Evidence of a refusal to submit to a chemical test shall be admissible in any trial, proceeding or hearing based upon a violation of such subsections, but only upon a showing that the person was given sufficient warning, in clear and unequivocal language, of the effect of such refusal and the person persisted in such refusal.
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dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Actually, private property owners MUST give permission. The CCIA defaulted all private businesses to being illegal to CC unless theree was a posted policy allowing it.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Currently no. You can't ( I know some here freak out on that word "can't" lol ) carry anywhere now really unless granted by the owner of the property you might be on or cross to get to a property that would allow you to. This actually includes parking lots of large mall outlets. Anyway, the State so graciously grants you your 2A right on it's public property, mostly roads, with exceptions.
Store's by law are to post signs but spoken agreement or written one would suffice. I wouldn't assume anything. I would approach it like this. Would they, the owner, manager or employee, be comfortable signing a document speaking to your character, integrity and mental health? If the answer is no or why would they. Don't leave it to chance.
Not sure the court will strike out restaurants and bars from the new law but I can say that with a simple google search and some real easy reading, most RED states champions of 2A DO NOT allow concealed carry in bars or while consuming alcohol and most require CCW classes.
Store's by law are to post signs but spoken agreement or written one would suffice. I wouldn't assume anything. I would approach it like this. Would they, the owner, manager or employee, be comfortable signing a document speaking to your character, integrity and mental health? If the answer is no or why would they. Don't leave it to chance.
Not sure the court will strike out restaurants and bars from the new law but I can say that with a simple google search and some real easy reading, most RED states champions of 2A DO NOT allow concealed carry in bars or while consuming alcohol and most require CCW classes.
At least it's cashless bail so...
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
good thing your wifes cooking is outstanding
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
even before the witches CCIA ..
you could not carry in a bar .. or place serving alcohol ..
but you can host a block party at your home with alcohol and everyone can carry ..
go figure ..
you could not carry in a bar .. or place serving alcohol ..
but you can host a block party at your home with alcohol and everyone can carry ..
go figure ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
BTW ..
how many gun clubs have a bar ??
how many gun clubs have a bar ??
BTW ..
how many gun clubs have a bar ??
Now your thinking like them.
Next let's outlaw carrying guns anywhere that has a fire marshal approved capacity of greater than 50 people on premesis because ya know... We have to prevent mass shootings and all....
/Sarcasm but not really. This is their diabolical cunning evil intent. They're incompetent discussing gun terms but very clever and creative finding new ways to erode our rights. Make no mistake
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
No .. I'm saying and stating there fucking gun laws are useless ..
didn't a gay bar in Florida get shot up .. the Pulse club ..
didn't a gay bar in Florida get shot up .. the Pulse club ..
Tell us more about freedom
Only places that are really prohibited if you have a CCW are schools (should be changing soon), correctional facilities and court rooms. Not the court house but specifically rooms used for court hearings. And, of course the usual federal stuff.
Justincase
.308 Win
Used to be discouraged by the issuing authority (as stated on the permit letter) but now after the CCIA it is illegal to carry anyplace that serves alcohol.