Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You have no idea.
The Oregon court of appeals is a bunch of Kangaroos??
Robin
CCW Holder Wrongly Convicted in 5 Minutes, for Defending His Life from BLM Thugs
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Robin
ADK
.40 S&W
When you carry a gun you must also know the law and use "Discretion" in an intelligent way. Now think of it from the other side. You are in the crowd and something is going on so you get closer to see what is happening and next thing you know some guy is pointing a gun at you.
Now you are looking at a situation that gives you every right to use deadly force and had someone been armed in that group and fired upon Strickland they would be justified. The difference is Strickland escalated the situation by pulling a gun first and pointing it at several people without just cause. What would have happened if he had not pulled a gun we do not know. Had he been attacked by a mob he would have a defense and a lot of bruises.
While trying to answer my own question, I found this guy. Run for your life, violence is bad!!!!
Self Defense Laws in Oregon: Can You Stand Your Ground?
Self Defense Laws in Oregon: Can You Stand Your Ground?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's like you deliberately skip over the fact that he was surrounded. One guy was spraying an aerosol can at him. These cans are used to make makeshift torches.
ADK
.40 S&W
Surrounded hardly. I do not see him fully encapsulated at any time. I don't see anyone beating on him. I don't see anyone with a weapon trying to harm him. CritCalt just left a good link. Read it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Watch the beginning of the video.
I see what youre saying on this matter, Oregon has a duty to retreat but I put the link because this lawyer is an idiot.
He says even in your own home you should try to run. He says its ALWAYS a good idea to run from what he calls fake violence.
Typical liberal.
ADK
.40 S&W
I watched the video and at no time just before he pulled his gun was he totally surrounded. He was moving in a backwards direction and no one was stopping his rearward movement. Lets call an ace and ace and a SPADE A SPADE. Don't be making up stuff that did not happen.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The very first seconds of the video show him surrounded and getting sprayed. Look at it again.
ADK
.40 S&W
Crit, Anyone who carries a weapon should know the laws pertaining to the use of force and use of deadly force. Many think they are Rambo
when they strap on a gun. It's a big mistake.
ADK
.40 S&W
Buy a good set of glasses or come up with a different definition of surrounded.
Surround
verb (used with object)
1.
to enclose on all sides; encompass:
She was surrounded by reporters.
2.
to form an enclosure round; encircle:
A stone wall surrounds the estate.
3.
to enclose (a body of troops, a fort or town, etc.) so as to cut off communication or retreat.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's at 3 seconds. At 5, he's completely surrounded. The camera pans away and he draws and gets away.
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ADK
.40 S&W
Surrounded.....Yea right
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That one doesn't show the guy behind him like the other video does. But who cares? None of this matters. They approach him and spray aerosol in his face. You don't need to be surrounded to defend yourself.
ADK
.40 S&W
If you don't care why have you have been pushing " surrounded? " I do not see him defending himself, I simply see him pointing a weapon at people
without just cause. Had he been assaulted with deadly force he could draw his weapon. READ THE LAW and don't make excuses for some fool
just because your pro second amendment. You need not wonder why no one is backing this guy.
Justincase
.308 Win
My USCCA insurance states that ANY time I need to defend myself, with or without a weapon, with or without actual physical interaction, that I'm covered. Of course, I've never tested it, but that's what it states
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
In State of Oregon v. Sandoval (2007), the Oregon State Supreme Court affirmed that deadly force is allowable when: “A person reasonably believes another person is using or about to use deadly force against him or her.”
ADK
.40 S&W
Great post Will. I do hope you understand the LAW now. If not I would be happy to explain it to you in more detail as to why this fool is behind bars
with no pee-stol.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No need to. I believe that he reasonably believed his life was in danger.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Because it's always a good idea to take your eyes of a potential threat and go backwards. Or turn and run. What if you fall?
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Someone that is reasonably in fear for their life (or a potential ass kicking) has every right to defend themselves. It's very easy to sit here on the sideline and say there were no deadly threats there, but we've all seen what the antifa mobs do. Not to mention we only get a few seconds of video before he's unholstered. What happened the prior 5 minutes? He was retreating the whole time and the mob was following him. There were at least a dozen people within the 21 foot radius for the entire video leading up to when he actually drew.
ADK
.40 S&W
No one disputes having a right to defend. You fail to mention of those 21 people who was the threat? All, One, None. If you think your ass is about to get kicked, pulling a gun before the ass kicking begins just might land you in Jail. Do you suppose he thought of Antifa mobs and the potential danger he might face at a BLM protest? No problem, I have my sidekick on hand ready for any action! Now is that Reasonable?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. It is. If I go to a Trump rally to exercise my free speech because I deem it important, you best believe it'll be protected by my 2nd.
Or are you saying that I should stay home because BLM might show up?
ADK
.40 S&W
Not at all Will. What I am saying is reasonable people do not go into known bad areas unless they absolutely have too. He made his decision and now he is paying the price of that decision. Now if you think going to a Trump rally when you hate him and are going there to protest I would also advise you to stay away. Now lets assume you live in some city that has dangerous areas and good areas. Do you wish to go to that dangerous area to exercise your first amendment right and tell all those knot head drug addicts what assholes they are? I think Not.
@thewheels
.308 Win
So pull the gun after the ass kicking commences? Is that your argument?
ADK
.40 S&W
Do you think you can legally pull a gun in a simple fist fight because you are loosing. How about someone beating your head in while your laying on the ground. How about someone putting the boot to you? How about someone using a club on you. If you do not know what deadly force or reasonable is you best not carry a weapon.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What law abiding citizen gets into fist fights? I sure as hell don't or ever plan on. If it came down to one, my life would be at danger because I don't know the other's intentions. I'm not going to get shanked or my head caved in with a brick. Plenty of warning would be given by me to back off.
ADK
.40 S&W
We were talking a fist fight Willie, not knives clubs rocks or whatever added on.....LOL
Will, Have you ever been in a fist fight?