Auto knife thread

[Jem45472]

Ok who has them, I know some of you do. I'd like to get back into collecting them someday if the gun collection ever stops soaking up my money.

I sold off a couple, here's what I have left.

1. Piranha bodyguard. This is actually a great light duty knife. Very light and thin, opens very fast, good steel.

2. Frank B. Staghorn Italian stiletto. Just because you need to have a quality made stiletto.

3. Akc swinguard Italian stiletto. I like swingaurds, I need a couple more.



Next one will probably be a Benchmade infidel for my first quality otf knife when I feel like tossing a spare $400 at it. I've had the cheap knockoffs before.

 

[wirehairfan]

I like them... but please take this thread down. You know why.

 

[Jem45472]

I like them... but please take this thread down. You know why.

I don't know why. Auto knives are legal in NY, and legal to carry if you're hunting or fishing, or if you're first responder or leo. Maybe not in NYC. I don't know their shitty laws.

 

[Jem45472]

Just to clear things up.

New York State Knife Laws – American Knife & Tool Institute | American Knife and Tool Institute

 

[wirehairfan]

Auto knives are not legal in NY. Assisted knives are legal, but be very careful (especially in NYC). The NY Court of Appeals (highest Court in the State) incorrectly upheld the conviction of someone for possession of a switchblade, when it was actually an assisted knife (People v. Berrezueta). The difference in NY is whether the knife opens by pushing a button on the handle (illegal switchblade) or by pressure on the blade (assisted knife). That's why I suggested taking the thread down.

Your knives are wonderful (I especially like the middle one, reminds me of my childhood, but much nicer)

Here are excerpts from the statute:

New York Penal Law
Article 265
265.00 Weapons Crimes - Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons
Definitions
As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:
...
4. "Switchblade Knife" means any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.
...
265.01 Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Fourth Degree
Class A Misdemeanor
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:
(1) He possesses any ... switchblade knife

 

[Jem45472]

Auto knives are not legal in NY. Assisted knives are legal, but be very careful (especially in NYC). The NY Court of Appeals (highest Court in the State) incorrectly upheld the conviction of someone for possession of a switchblade, when it was actually an assisted knife (People v. Berrezueta). The difference in NY is whether the knife opens by pushing a button on the handle (illegal switchblade) or by pressure on the blade (assisted knife). That's why I suggested taking the thread down.

Your knives are wonderful (I especially like the middle one, reminds me of my childhood, but much nicer)

Here are excerpts from the statute:

New York Penal Law
Article 265
265.00 Weapons Crimes - Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons
Definitions
As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:
...
4. "Switchblade Knife" means any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife.
...
265.01 Criminal Possession of a Weapon in the Fourth Degree
Class A Misdemeanor
A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree when:
(1) He possesses any ... switchblade knife

There are various exemptions applicable to the NY Penal Code §265 which are found at § 265.20. There is a significant exemption for ‘switchblade’ knives which provides that:

Paragraph (h) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 and sections 265.01, 265.01-a, subdivision one of section 265.01-b, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15, 265.36, 265.37 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
6. Possession of a switchblade for use while hunting, trapping or fishing by a person carrying a valid license issued to him pursuant to section 11-0713 of the environmental conservation law.
If one has a valid hunting, fishing, or fur-trapping license, the criminal possession sections, and the evidentiary presumption sections, set forth above shall not apply to a ‘switchblade’ he or she may possess. Accordingly, it is not unlawful for an individual holding an appropriate NY State issued license to own or possess an automatic knife, which he or she may ‘use’ or carry ‘while hunting, trapping, or fishing’. This exemption should not be understood to allow carrying an automatic knife apart from the actual pursuits specified.

 

[wirehairfan]

There are various exemptions applicable to the NY Penal Code §265 which are found at § 265.20. There is a significant exemption for ‘switchblade’ knives which provides that:

Paragraph (h) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 and sections 265.01, 265.01-a, subdivision one of section 265.01-b, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15, 265.36, 265.37 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
6. Possession of a switchblade for use while hunting, trapping or fishing by a person carrying a valid license issued to him pursuant to section 11-0713 of the environmental conservation law.
If one has a valid hunting, fishing, or fur-trapping license, the criminal possession sections, and the evidentiary presumption sections, set forth above shall not apply to a ‘switchblade’ he or she may possess. Accordingly, it is not unlawful for an individual holding an appropriate NY State issued license to own or possess an automatic knife, which he or she may ‘use’ or carry ‘while hunting, trapping, or fishing’. This exemption should not be understood to allow carrying an automatic knife apart from the actual pursuits specified.

I stand corrected. Thank you. As I said, I really like the Frank B. Staghorn Italian stiletto.

 

[Jem45472]

I stand corrected. Thank you. As I said, I really like the Frank B. Staghorn Italian stiletto.

Well then, no reason for you not to get one then.

 

[Uzi]

Only thing about that exemption is, they still banned stiletto knives, and separately from automatic and switchblade knives. It doesn't matter if it's a switchblade/automatic at that point, it's the type of knife itself that is also still banned by name without its own exemption.

On top of that, stilettos are obviously primarily designed to be used as a weapon as well, that is why they are banned in the first place. I can carry a regular stiletto folder (non auto) and still be breaking NY law whether I'm fishing, trapping, hunting, or walking on the sidewalk. The exemption does not say "any switchblade" or "any automatic knife" is exempt. That leads me to believe there would still be grounds for an arrest and charge.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I don't know if it counts but I had a SOG Flash that I liked very much, which I inadvertently left at my in-laws' in Michigan a few years back.

 

[Celt]

Its amazing to me that there are knives that are illegal, just like guns. NY sucks.

With that said, Ive always wanted a kershaw launch 1 and a launch 7.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Ok who has them, I know some of you do. I'd like to get back into collecting them someday if the gun collection ever stops soaking up my money.

I sold off a couple, here's what I have left.

1. Piranha bodyguard. This is actually a great light duty knife. Very light and thin, opens very fast, good steel.

2. Frank B. Staghorn Italian stiletto. Just because you need to have a quality made stiletto.

3. Akc swinguard Italian stiletto. I like swingaurds, I need a couple more.

View attachment 68441

Next one will probably be a Benchmade infidel for my first quality otf knife when I feel like tossing a spare $400 at it. I've had the cheap knockoffs before.

That Frank B. is dope.

 

[Mosinitis]

I actually like assisted better than autos. I have both.

 

[Jem45472]

I actually like assisted better than autos. I have both.

My Benchmade assisteds are what I carry daily.

 

[spat]

Its amazing to me that there are knives that are illegal, just like guns. NY sucks.

With that said, Ive always wanted a kershaw launch 1 and a launch 7.

"The founding fathers could never have envisioned the technology to sharpen *both* sides of a blade when they wrote the 2A.

Modern "assault knives" have no place in society."

derp derp

 

[Jem45472]

Only thing about that exemption is, they still banned stiletto knives, and separately from automatic and switchblade knives. It doesn't matter if it's a switchblade/automatic at that point, it's the type of knife itself that is also still banned by name without its own exemption.

On top of that, stilettos are obviously primarily designed to be used as a weapon as well, that is why they are banned in the first place. I can carry a regular stiletto folder (non auto) and still be breaking NY law whether I'm fishing, trapping, hunting, or walking on the sidewalk. The exemption does not say "any switchblade" or "any automatic knife" is exempt. That leads me to believe there would still be grounds for an arrest and charge.

And more on Ny knife laws.

New York State Knife Laws - Knife Up


What I believe you're talking about is in reference to something like a dagger blade, which is sharpened on both edges which some stilettos have. Mine are one sided only. That would be a no no in NY I believe. (Although I could be wrong about this. The knife laws are about as clear as the safe act.)

 

[Cooolone]

It's a violation of Federal Law (forgot the applicable part) to sharpen a dagger on both sides... Maybe things have changed, but that's what I remember. Don't quote me...

And my dream auto:



G&G Hawk...

Some day when I've got $ burning a hole in my pocket, lol

 

[Jem45472]

It's a violation of Federal Law (forgot the applicable part) to sharpen a dagger on both sides... Maybe things have changed, but that's what I remember. Don't quote me...

And my dream auto:

View attachment 68567

G&G Hawk...

Some day when I've got $ burning a hole in my pocket, lol

That looks really nice! Never heard of it, which more than likely means it's waay over my budget.

 

[Darth]

It's a violation of Federal Law (forgot the applicable part) to sharpen a dagger on both sides... Maybe things have changed, but that's what I remember. Don't quote me...

And my dream auto:

View attachment 68567

G&G Hawk...

Some day when I've got $ burning a hole in my pocket, lol

I don’t think that dagger thing is true.

 

[dubleuhb]

I do a lot of hunting, fishing and trapping!

 

[Jem45472]

I do a lot of hunting, fishing and trapping!

Wow @dubleuhb
Quite the collection! I had to quit using the like button halfway through. I had the Benchmade 5000 and sold it to a marine friend that wanted it. Says he had the same in the service.

The mini infidel will probably be my next knife purchase.

 

[Celt]

Thats alot of knives dh.. and I know they have made nice knives, but Benchmade is off my list forever because they are anti-gun.

 

[dubleuhb]

Thats alot of knives dh.. and I know they have made nice knives, but Benchmade is off my list forever because they are anti-gun.

I debated whether or not to post those pics because I knew someone would have to dirty the thread up and turn it into a potential shit show.

 

[Tintalieau]

"Possession of a dagger, dirk, stiletto, machete, dangerous knife, or razor by anyone having intent to use same unlawfully against another, or by anyone previously convicted of any crime, is also prohibited. "

A dagger is not illegal to have or carry , but with the wording of "intent" I think most LEO's will issue citation/arrest and let the courts deal with "Intent". Is it illegal, No. Are you going to get as New Yorkistan rectal reaming/robbery under guise of law, Absotivlyposifuckinglutly. Would i take the risk carrying a dagger..........IANAL YMMV

Like I've seen posted here in other threads, concealed is concealed. Knives are work tools more than a choice of defensive tool for me, daggers being the exception. While i don't ever think I'll be doing the kind of "work" that a dagger would be best suited for, if you want to carry something, carry it.

 

[Celt]

I debated whether or not to post those pics because I knew someone would have to dirty the thread up and turn it into a potential shit show.

Not trying to turn it into a shit show as thats a nice collection, but if you post something up from a company that is anti gun, on a gun forum you have to expect comments on that.

 

[dubleuhb]

Not trying to turn it into a shit show as thats a nice collection, but if you post something up from a company that is anti gun, on a gun forum you have to expect comments on that.

And yet just about everyone cheers on Trump here, he has yet to prove he is pro 2A given his stance on bumpstocks or his lack of doing anything pro 2A. Hell I still see Rugers posted up here even though they supported magazine capacity limits. Have you ever bought anything from a company that won't ship ammo or other items to NY because it's simply easier to say fuck NYers than actually look up the law, bet you have.
If I nitpick every thing every company or person has done I wouldn't be able to buy anything or deal with 95% of people.

With that fuck the hypocrisy, I'll delouse the thread for you.

 

[Cooolone]

Hahaha... Is kind of smart for a "knife" company to be anti gun... Less guns, more knives! Lmao!

Kind of like Sony (Betamax) being anti VHS! No?
(Exposing my age, hahahaha)

I don't read any more into that then pure business acumen.

 

[HEX]

What I believe you're talking about is in reference to something like a dagger blade, which is sharpened on both edges which some stilettos have.

Or, no sharpened edges at all. It's not at all clear because the term stiletto has been applied to different things.

Historical stilettos (origin: 15th cen. Italy) typically had round, triangular, square, or diamond shaped 'blades' that were long and 'needle-like'. They were thrusting/piercing weapons specifically that generally did not have sharpened edges and didn't serve as cutting blades. Arguably, this is still the best definition of a stiletto, because if produced today that is still the 'correct' term.

It wasn't until somewhere in the 1920s to 1940s that the term started being widely applied to thin bladed double edge daggers. I say "widely" because the term was used here and there to occasionally and somewhat vaguely refer to bayonet styles from 16th to 18th cen, but it was not common use. Quite probably the term did not come into common use to define thin daggers until production of the American/Canadian V-42 Stiletto (in 1942) , which was based on the Fairbain-Sykes fighting commando knife.

It wasn't until the early to mid 1950s, when the Italian switchblades started being imported, that the term was used to commonly refer to these single blade knives with a 'dagger-like' appearance.

In any case, NY knife laws say that possession of either dagger or stiletto is only illegal when, "with intent to use the same unlawfully against another "

So, of course like so many NY laws, it's open to interpretation if carrying one implies intent. Some would say that because the design of either knife is more optimally designed to stab than it is to do cutting tasks, that might imply intent. Personally I think that interpretation is incredibly stupid. Even if a knife was carried purely for the purpose of defense against humans, that would not be unlawful intent.

 

[Celt]

And yet just about everyone cheers on Trump here, he has yet to prove he is pro 2A given his stance on bumpstocks or his lack of doing anything pro 2A. Hell I still see Rugers posted up here even though they supported magazine capacity limits. Have you ever bought anything from a company that won't ship ammo or other items to NY because it's simply easier to say fuck NYers than actually look up the law, bet you have.
If I nitpick every thing every company or person has done I wouldn't be able to buy anything or deal with 95% of people.

With that fuck the hypocrisy, I'll delouse the thread for you.

Did something get stuck in your vagina? I would certainly say you are overreacting. I didn't criticize you for choosing to buy Benchmade Knives I just talked about myself personally. I even complimented you on the nice collection. Take a deep breath man I'm not attacking you.

 

[Jem45472]

@dubleuhb
That was an incredible collection, you should put them back up for people like me to drool over.