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Edwardteach72 · Apr 25, 2020

Saltwater60 said:
How can you not shoehorn that into this case? We can’t buy ammo online and have it shipped to our home or buy guns privately without a background check. At this point you have no option to buy guns or ammo because the government shit them all down. Of o could buy a gun from my neighbor without a background check the gov would have a leg to stand on but I can’t. My rights have been violated and so have yours.

But we can buy ammo online.. that part of the law never went into effect therefore you cant sue the state on it

MikeyCNY · Apr 25, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
But we can buy ammo online.. that part of the law never went into effect therefore you cant sue the state on it

I'm currently fighting with an online retailer about this. I placed an ammo order on Wednesday, never ordered from them before. I looked all over their website, nothing about not shipping to NYS or any restrictions thereof.

Yesterday I got an e-mail asking for my FFL's information. I said that hasn't been needed in NY in years, and several other online sites ship to NYS fine - I linked to TS-USA's site that has the MOU letter. They respond "that's one company's opinion", even though it had the MOU from New York... I said I've ordered from several other websites with no issue, and to just cancel the order. Shame because it was decent priced ammo.

I have not heard back yet. I told them with the COVID shit a lot of gun stores are closed. We'll see if they relent or cancel. I'll wait to name and shame until I know the outcome..

PutnamCharlie · Apr 25, 2020

That's what t-s told me. They wont ship to the city but have no problem shipping to me. Not all g-stores are closed. The one up the road from me had a parking lot full of people outside. Call the ones near your house to be sure there closed.

Edwardteach72 · Apr 25, 2020

MikeyCNY said:
I'm currently fighting with an online retailer about this. I placed an ammo order on Wednesday, never ordered from them before. I looked all over their website, nothing about not shipping to NYS or any restrictions thereof.

Yesterday I got an e-mail asking for my FFL's information. I said that hasn't been needed in NY in years, and several other online sites ship to NYS fine - I linked to TS-USA's site that has the MOU letter. They respond "that's one company's opinion", even though it had the MOU from New York... I said I've ordered from several other websites with no issue, and to just cancel the order. Shame because it was decent priced ammo.

I have not heard back yet. I told them with the COVID shit a lot of gun stores are closed. We'll see if they relent or cancel. I'll wait to name and shame until I know the outcome..

That's on them they dont have to sell you anything, cant sue the state for that

MikeyCNY · Apr 25, 2020

PutnamCharlie said:
That's what t-s told me. They wont ship to the city but have no problem shipping to me. Not all g-stores are closed. The one up the road from me had a parking lot full of people outside. Call the ones near your house to be sure there closed.

I was trying to garner sympathy and have them ship to me direct.

PutnamCharlie · Apr 25, 2020

Not in cuomoland. We don't get sympathy here.

Bigfoot · Apr 25, 2020

prambo said:
Same here. Still remember the BS at NYFirearms with some janky law firm suing about the UnSAFE Act.

A legendary clusterfuck...no on the return engagement, thank you very much.

Speaking of...

I see that "NY Shooter" posts on arfcom.

After that clusterfuck he just disappeared from here... Or NYF I should say. You know what I mean.

Mr. terzmo · Apr 25, 2020

MikeyCNY said:
According to this thread on ARFCOM the lawyers behind it have a questionable past? Haven't done much research myself, never heard of the group before now.

Would we be better off with SAF/GOA?

As a member of GOA and donator. My experience is GOA is as worthless in NY as the NRA

Saltwater60 · Apr 25, 2020

BDinPutnam said:
What's that got to do with this particular specific business that got shut down? Who are the plaintiffs in this fantasy case you're putting together - that will also dismantle unSAFE and the Sullivan Act in one magical fell swoop - and what standing do they have to bring these additional causes of action into this silver bullet case based on the state shutting down one FFL on the grounds of the Covid emergency nonsense?

Not seeing it. Write me up a case summary that makes sense to me here and I'll be the first one to open my wallet.

My thinking is they shutdown the gun stores and made them nonessential right? So that violates everyone’s rights in the state because you can’t buy arms or ammunition.

BDinPutnam · Apr 26, 2020

Saltwater60 said:
My thinking is they shutdown the gun stores and made them nonessential right? So that violates everyone’s rights in the state because you can’t buy arms or ammunition.

In this instance, "a" gun store, not all of them.

Acer-m14 · Apr 26, 2020

black market gun sales are up ..

.. anyone have Eric Holder's number LOL ..

Acer-m14 · Apr 26, 2020

BDinPutnam said:
In this instance, "a" gun store, not all of them.

yep .. few around here are open .. Brandon was in the news from the VA Rally ..

Grimscale · Apr 26, 2020

BDinPutnam said:
In this instance, "a" gun store, not all of them.

You're absolutely right.
If they only shut down the gun store near you, you are still perfectly capable of driving for 10 hours to go to the only remaining gun store in the State that is allowed to remain open. There's no infringement on your Rights if you can still go buy a gun HOURS away from where you live.

Just like there is no infringement on your Rights if you can buy a single-shot .22 rifle, but absolutely NO other type of firearms. you can still buy *A* gun, so your 2nd Amendment is protected.

If you can't see how a State Government, upon shutting down "a" gun store with the excuse that it is not essential, is an infringement of your Rights then you essentially support the State's position that these are not Rights.

Twogunwilly · Apr 26, 2020

Unless SAF is involved I'm leery of any upstart 2A organizations wanting my $.

Celt · Apr 26, 2020

MikeyCNY said:
I'm currently fighting with an online retailer about this. I placed an ammo order on Wednesday, never ordered from them before. I looked all over their website, nothing about not shipping to NYS or any restrictions thereof.

Yesterday I got an e-mail asking for my FFL's information. I said that hasn't been needed in NY in years, and several other online sites ship to NYS fine - I linked to TS-USA's site that has the MOU letter. They respond "that's one company's opinion", even though it had the MOU from New York... I said I've ordered from several other websites with no issue, and to just cancel the order. Shame because it was decent priced ammo.

I have not heard back yet. I told them with the COVID shit a lot of gun stores are closed. We'll see if they relent or cancel. I'll wait to name and shame until I know the outcome..

This is what pisses me off. The gov essentially bullied retailers so they are affraid to do business with NY. While its perfectly legal to ship ammo to NY residents many retailers gave up on us. Screw them!

Saltwater60 · Apr 26, 2020

All gun stores around me that I know of are closed. I didn’t realize others in the state are. I’m sure some table too FFL’s are open possibly but I don’t need anything that bad to bother one of them.
Closed

https://wolcottgunsinc.com/

Cabelas is closed
Another one Closed

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And that’s about all the gun stores left around me.
Gander outdoors is only doing RV stuff.

I did find one little guy that open but his inventory is limited and before this his ammo prices were double others.

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BDinPutnam · Apr 26, 2020

Grimscale said:
You're absolutely right.
If they only shut down the gun store near you, you are still perfectly capable of driving for 10 hours to go to the only remaining gun store in the State that is allowed to remain open. There's no infringement on your Rights if you can still go buy a gun HOURS away from where you live.

Just like there is no infringement on your Rights if you can buy a single-shot .22 rifle, but absolutely NO other type of firearms. you can still buy *A* gun, so your 2nd Amendment is protected.

If you can't see how a State Government, upon shutting down "a" gun store with the excuse that it is not essential, is an infringement of your Rights then you essentially support the State's position that these are not Rights.

Please re-read my original post in this thread.

tc556guy · Apr 27, 2020

Edwardteach72 said:
But we can buy ammo online.. that part of the law never went into effect therefore you cant sue the state on it

It's been reported in the past that the Cuomo administrations position on this is that while there's no background check on place for ammunition yet, the ban on mail order ammunition remains in place. Of course I wouldn't expect anything less from them

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