Who Funds the Antifa/Black Bloc/BLM Maoist Cabal?

BDinPutnam · Sep 17, 2020

Mom and dad.

kev74 · Sep 17, 2020

We're under attack from Chy-na and we're too politically correct to react accordingly.

SonOfSun · Sep 17, 2020

Why do you think there is a conspiracy to fund them? Let me ask you this.... When there is a pro 2A rally in Albany etc. who funded them? Typically the participants are willing to fund necessary expenses on their own accord. When there is a pro 2a rally in Albany, it's not some plot by underground militias to fund the people there... The citizens arrange to be there on their own because they believe in their cause. It's like this pretty much all the time. Just because you don't like their message doesn't mean it's some hidden funded plot.

livingston · Sep 18, 2020

Black Lives Matter co-founder teams up with pro-Chinese Communist Party group
By Jackie Salo

A “trained Marxist” founder of Black Lives Matter has teamed up on a new venture with a pro-Chinese Communist Party organization.

Alicia Garza is now behind the advocacy group Black Futures Lab, which is backed by the Chinese Progressive Association, according to the website.

The group says it “gathers information about the ways that policy affects black communities” to educate and challenge lawmakers.

On a page soliciting donations, the group is described as a “fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.”

The Black Futures Lab didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on the partnership.

Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors once described herself and Garza as “trained Marxists.”

Black Lives Matter co-founder teams up with Chinese advocacy group

One of the Black Lives Matter founders has launched a new venture with a Chinese community advocacy organization. Alicia Garza is behind the Black Futures Lab, which is backed by the Chinese Progre…

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Steal2B · Sep 18, 2020

prambo said:
Many here always say "Follow The Money", and they're correct. Soros is always thought of first, and he does do that.

But, overall, it appears the ChiComs, especially the CCP, are ...

I looked at the OP links and after finding the the violence funding to be a confusing web of slime, I started looking at some required financial statements (due to allocations from block grants, direct taxpayer funding, or tax advantages from donations or memberships.)

It looks like a major source of money funding the violence and insurrection is not just wealthy globalists, democrats or nation states but is in fact THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER.

Some notable groups linked to funding the violence and coordinating efforts to over turn a potential Trump election win include Unions, Universities, Abortion Mills, Environmentalists, Criminal Rights Groups, Open Border Activists, and Race Baiters.

Some funders who got tax payer money through either legislation or block grants include

Black Lives Matter
Planned Parenthood
Southern Poverty Law Center
Sierra Club
NYU
National Domestic Workers Alliance
ACLU
Amnesty International USA
Anti-Defamation League
Friends of the Earth
Greenpeace
Move On
LGBTQ Task Force
Rock the Vote
SEIU

It also looks like a number of other tax shielded groups are also tied to dark money laundering in to the insurrection

Action Together Massachusettes
Action Together Network
Advancement Project
AFT
Al Otro Lado
All Out
Alliance for Justice
Alliance for Youth Action
America’s Voice
American Constitution Society
American Ethical Union
American Human Rights Council (AHRC-USA)
American Sexual Health Association
Arab American Institute
Asian Americans Advancing Justice | AAJC
ASISTA
Assisi Community
Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project (ASAP) at the Urban Justice Center
Asylum Seeker Assistance Project
Avaaz
Bayard Rustin Center for Social Justice
Bend the Arc
Beyond the Bomb
Brave New Films
Cameroonian American Council
Campaign for Southern Equality
Caring Across Generations
CASA in Action
Center for American Progress Action Fund
Center for Biological Diversity
Center for Gender and Refugee Studies
Center for Reproductive Rights
Center for Victims of Torture
Centro de los Derechos del Migrante, Inc.
Chicago Women Take Action
Children’s Defense Fund-Texas
Church World Service
Clean Water Action
Coalition of Labor Union Women
Coalition on Human Needs
Congregational UCC Greensboro
Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute (CHCI)
Constitutional Accountability Center
Council on American-Islamic Relations
Courage Campaign
Credo
Crooked Media
Daily Kos
DC Immigration Hub
DC Teens Action
Define American
Democracy Initiative
Disciples Center for Immigration and Refugees
Disciples Refugee & Immigration Ministries
Doctors for Camp Closure
Dulles Justice Coalition
Earthjustice
End Rape on Campus
Equal Voice Action
Equality Labs
Every Voice
Faith in Public Life
Families Belong Together
Families USA
Feminist Majority Foundation
FIRM
Food & Water Watch
Foreign Policy for America
Friends of the Earth
Fuse Washington
FWD.us
Gamliel
Global Exchange
Global Fund for Children
GreenLatino
Haitian Bridge Alliance
Hand in Hand: The Domestic Employers Network
Harness
HeadCount
Health Care Voter
Hispanic Federation
Human Rights Campaign
Human Rights First
IfNotNow
Immigration Hub
In Our Own Voice: National Black Women’s Reproductive Justice Agenda
Indivisible
Innovation Law Lab
Japanese American Citizens League
Jewish Voice for Peace
JStreet
Justice for Migrant Women
JWI
KIPP
La Union del Pueblo Entero
Latin America Working Group
Latin American Legal Defense and Education Fund
Latino Victory Foundation
LatinoJustice PRLDEF
Lawyers for Good Government
Leadership Conference of Women Religious
League of Conservation Voters
League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC)
Little Lobbyists
MALDEF
MarchOn
Moms Rising
Muslim Advocates
NARAL
National Alliance to End Sexual Violence
National Asian Pacific American Women’s Forum (NAPAWF)
National Immigrant Justice Center
National Immigration Law Center
National Iranian American Council
National Justice for Our Neighbors
National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health
National Network to End Domestic Violence
National Nurses United
National Organization of Concerned Black Men
National Partnership for Women & Families
National Women’s Law Center
NCJW
NEA
NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice
Network of Spiritual Progressives
NextGen America
NSEA
One Billion Rising
Organizing for Action
Oxfam America
Pantsuit Nation
ParentsTogether
People Demanding Action
People For the American Way
People’s Action
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Poligon Education Fund
Positive Women’s Network-USA
Presbyterian Church (USA)aPresente.org
Priorities USA
Public Citizen
Race Forward
RAICES
Really American
Resistance Labs
Rock the Vote
SALDEF
Sanctuary
Sanctuary for Families
SEIU
SIECUS
Sister District Action Network
Sojourners
South Asian Americans Leading Together
Stand Up America
Sum of Us
T’ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights
Tax March
Texas Civil Rights Project
The Leadership Conference
The Workmen’s Circle
Together We Will Contra Costa
Truman National Security Project
UltraViolet
UnidosUS
Unitarian Universalist Association
Unitarian Universalist Service Committee
Unitarian Universalists for Social Justice (UUSJ)
United State of Women
United We Dream
US Campaign for Palestinian Rights
VDay.org
Voto Latino
Washington Office on Latin America
Win Without War
Women Employed
Women’s March
Women’s Refugee Commission
Workplace Fairness
Youth Caucus of America
YWCA USA

What a freaking mess.

holdover · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
Why do you think there is a conspiracy to fund them?

Why do you make accusations of conspiracy when funding is documented ? Dont you research a subject before making comments on it?

Adbusters is organizing and helping to pay for the ""siege on Washington."" and arranging transportation, I'm a conspiracy theorist for reading their website?

BDinPutnam · Sep 18, 2020

Let's be a bit cautious here in terms of non-profits.

I seem to recall being up in arms, shoulder to shoulder with a lot of people here, when a certain someone weaponized the IRS against conservative non-profits.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
Why do you think there is a conspiracy to fund them? Let me ask you this.... When there is a pro 2A rally in Albany etc. who funded them? Typically the participants are willing to fund necessary expenses on their own accord. When there is a pro 2a rally in Albany, it's not some plot by underground militias to fund the people there... The citizens arrange to be there on their own because they believe in their cause. It's like this pretty much all the time. Just because you don't like their message doesn't mean it's some hidden funded plot.

The difference is that the people who showed up in Albany to protest SAFE have jobs.

Many of the BLM protesters do not. They just move from protest to protest with no visible means of support.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
Why do you think there is a conspiracy to fund them? Let me ask you this.... When there is a pro 2A rally in Albany etc. who funded them? Typically the participants are willing to fund necessary expenses on their own accord. When there is a pro 2a rally in Albany, it's not some plot by underground militias to fund the people there... The citizens arrange to be there on their own because they believe in their cause. It's like this pretty much all the time. Just because you don't like their message doesn't mean it's some hidden funded plot.

Well, the CIA backs all sorts of insurgent groups all over the world. How many US tax dollars do you think make their way to pro Democracy activists in Hong Kong ?

Why *wouldn't* you think China is backing BLM and Antifa ?

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

spat said:
The difference is that the people who showed up in Albany to protest SAFE have jobs.

Many of the BLM protesters do not. They just move from protest to protest with no visible means of support.

Can you please provide employment statistics for people who are BLM protestors? If not, then that is just complete speculation.

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

spat said:
Well, the CIA backs all sorts of insurgent groups all over the world. How many US tax dollars do you think make their way to pro Democracy activists in Hong Kong ?

No clue how much money from the CIA made it's way there, either way, what the CIA did is wholly irrelevant to what another organization does.

spat said:
Why *wouldn't* you think China is backing BLM and Antifa ?

Pretty simple, for the same reason I don't believe the flying spaghetti monster is funding them: There's no proof of it. Want me to believe something... then show verifiable proof. Not theories. Not speculation. Hard proof.

Catskillkid · Sep 18, 2020

Definitely getting support from at least some labor unions. AFL-CIO in particular.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
No clue how much money from the CIA made it's way there, either way, what the CIA did is wholly irrelevant to what another organization does.

The CIA was referenced to demonstrate that this is normal practice for a countries intelligence agencies.

Your claim that they *aren't* interfering would be the extraordinary claim that requires evidence. The assumption that they are is the default. For the simple fact that they all do it all the time. That is practically their mission statement.

Pretty simple, for the same reason I don't believe the flying spaghetti monster is funding them: There's no proof of it. Want me to believe something... then show verifiable proof. Not theories. Not speculation. Hard proof.

If I claimed that some corporation was trying to increase it's profit margin, and you claimed they weren't. You would be the one who needed to provide proof, because increasing their profit margin is what they do, and to claim that they weren't trying to do that would be the extraordinary claim.

If I tell you that General Motors is trying to make money and you claim you don't believe they are. It's not me who needs to provide the proof. You're the one making the outrageous claim.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
Can you please provide employment statistics for people who are BLM protestors? If not, then that is just complete speculation.

Are you suggesting that there *aren't* a large number of them who are unemployed or paid protestors ? They just burn down a 7-11 and then go back to work in the morning processing forms in HR ?

I suppose their predecessors in the occupy wall street protests just took furloughs from their jobs to camp out like homeless for months at a time too ?

I suppose it's true, some of them do have jobs though, there is a burgeoning industry supporting the riots now.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the people who legitimately show up to protest (like my sister). The ones who just want to chant and yell and wave signs around. I imagine many of them do have jobs. I also realize that the majority of the people in these crowds fall into that category.

I have seen a statistic that says that about 7% of the protests end up violent. I am sure of those 7% most of the people involved have lawful intentions. But it only took about 3% of the population to get the revolutionary war going, so I'm not sure it's wise to discount them because of that.

I am talking about the radical agitators and the looters. The people who show up to throw fireworks at the cops and empty the shelves of the local foot locker. No, I don't think those people have day jobs.

BDinPutnam · Sep 18, 2020

Its a far leap from "the worst actors here are unemployed" to "and they're actually tacitly employed by (insert boogeyman here)."

GOPerfect · Sep 18, 2020

holdover said:
Why do you make accusations of conspiracy when funding is documented ? Dont you research a subject before making comments on it?

Adbusters is organizing and helping to pay for the ""siege on Washington."" and arranging transportation, I'm a conspiracy theorist for reading their website?

He is kind of an idiot. That is why he is on so many members' ignore list.

holdover · Sep 18, 2020

With schools and collages closed, and covid wreaking havoc on small business, the unemployment rate at historic highs, it goes without saying, that a lot of people generally are unemployed at the time . and unemployment doesn't count collage kids out of school . I wouldn't say its a stretch to think that a lot of them are presently unemployed.

GOPerfect · Sep 18, 2020

Nearly every bLM and Antifa that was arrested in the Buffalo are were unemployed.

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

GOPerfect said:
He is kind of an idiot. That is why he is on so many members' ignore list.

Scurry back to your safe space, rat.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

BDinPutnam said:
Its a far leap from "the worst actors here are unemployed" to "and they're actually tacitly employed by (insert boogeyman here)."

I am not suggesting they are directly employed by any particular boogeyman. I seriously doubt there would be such a paper trail and these aren't the kind of people who are doing this for profit. But what they are doing takes a lot of money, and it's coming from somewhere.

They are very well funded and it's not all coming from mommy and daddy.

Even when I attended the SAFE act protest in Albany, there were busses that were paid for to transport us there from Rochester. I don't even remember who paid for them to be honest, but I know it wasn't directly out of my pocket. There isn't necessarily anything nefarious going on with that, it depends on where the money is really coming from.

The people who are suggesting that China and Soros and other such malevolent entities who's interests are being served by this unrest *aren't* contributing and even directing some of it are the ones who are delusional. Honestly, why *wouldn't* they be ?

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

spat said:
Are you suggesting that there *aren't* a large number of them who are unemployed or paid protestors ?

I'm suggesting that unless you have proof of them being paid protesters or unemployed, then it's just speculation.

spat said:
I suppose their predecessors in the occupy wall street protests just took furloughs from their jobs to camp out like homeless for months at a time too ?

I suppose it's true, some of them do have jobs though, there is a burgeoning industry supporting the riots now.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the people who legitimately show up to protest (like my sister). The ones who just want to chant and yell and wave signs around. I imagine many of them do have jobs. I also realize that the majority of the people in these crowds fall into that category.

I have seen a statistic that says that about 7% of the protests end up violent. I am sure of those 7% most of the people involved have lawful intentions. But it only took about 3% of the population to get the revolutionary war going, so I'm not sure it's wise to discount them because of that.

I am talking about the radical agitators and the looters. The people who show up to throw fireworks at the cops and empty the shelves of the local foot locker. No, I don't think those people have day jobs.

So really it sounds like you are referring to the rioters and not the protesters? I differentiate between the two, to me protesters are people who are exercising their 1st amendment rights within the confines of the law (shouting with signs, etc.), and rioters being the assholes burning, looting, vandalizing, etc. I'm still not so sure if they are largely unemployed, as I haven't seen hard data to support that. Though, I will admit, it sounds plausible that more of the rioters would be unemployed compared to the protesters. People who have worked hard to secure good employment typically wouldn't be the ones that I would suspect to risk it to burn down a bus stop.

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

spat said:
The CIA was referenced to demonstrate that this is normal practice for a countries intelligence agencies.

Your claim that they *aren't* interfering would be the extraordinary claim that requires evidence. The assumption that they are is the default. For the simple fact that they all do it all the time. That is practically their mission statement.

If I claimed that some corporation was trying to increase it's profit margin, and you claimed they weren't. You would be the one who needed to provide proof, because increasing their profit margin is what they do, and to claim that they weren't trying to do that would be the extraordinary claim.

If I tell you that General Motors is trying to make money and you claim you don't believe they are. It's not me who needs to provide the proof. You're the one making the outrageous claim.

That's not how the burden of proof works. The person making the claim needs to provide proof, it's not up to me to disprove your claim, it's up to you to prove your claim. You are (or were?) claiming they are largely unemployed ("The difference is that the people who showed up in Albany to protest SAFE have jobs. Many of the BLM protesters do not.") If it's something obvious such as, "General Motors is trying to make money", it should be easy to do so, but the burden is still yours to back up your claim.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Holder of the burden
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
I'm suggesting that unless you have proof of them being paid protesters or unemployed, then it's just speculation.

And you are just speculating that they are gainfully employed. On balance I think my supposition is far more likely.

So really it sounds like you are referring to the rioters and not the protesters? I differentiate between the two, to me protesters are people who are exercising their 1st amendment rights withing the confines of the law (shouting with signs, etc.), and rioters being the assholes burning, looting, vandalizing, etc. I'm still not so sure if they are largely unemployed, as I haven't seen hard data to support that. Though, I will admit, it sounds plausible that more of the rioters would be unemployed compared to the protesters. People who have worked hard to secure good employment typically wouldn't be the ones to risk it to burn down a bus stop.

Yes, I know there are plenty of honest hard working people who have been duped into supporting this cause. I have some in my family. The people who think BLM is about police brutality are just useful idiots.

I don't think the legitimate protestors are the problem, other than they are giving cover for the rioters. They certainly have a right to protest, and in some cases they have legitimate grievances that I have been saying we need to address for years.

But if they tolerate the rioters among them and provide them cover as they have been recently, then they *do* become a problem that needs to be dealt with.

If a group of skinheads showed up at a a 2A rally with Nazi flags they would not be welcome. Until the left treats Antifa the same way they are complicit in the damage they cause.

I was reading some Facebook posts from one of the Rochester legislators (Rachael Barnhart) who was complaining about the police using tear gas on peaceful protestors. She admitted that some people had launched fireworks at the police and were throwing rocks and other dangerous projectiles at them. Yet she still said they were "peaceful protestors'.

Just because *you* aren't being violent, if you are acting in concert with a group that is, then you are not a peaceful protestor.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
That's not how the burden of proof works. The person making the claim needs to provide proof, it's not up to me to disprove your claim, it's up to you to prove your claim. You are (or were?) claiming they are largely unemployed ("The difference is that the people who showed up in Albany to protest SAFE have jobs. Many of the BLM protesters do not.") If it's something obvious such as, "General Motors is trying to make money", it should be easy to do so, but the burden is still yours to back up your claim.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Holder of the burden
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

Fine, you want proof, @GOPerfect provided it above. *All* the rioters arrested in the most recent go around in Buffalo self identified as unemployed.

As further evidence, I'd like to submit that people *couldn't* maintain a normal job while engaging in this sort of behavior. How many times can you call in to work and say "sorry, I won't be in today, I'm in jail" and still keep your job ?

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

spat said:
And you are just speculating that they are gainfully employed. On balance I think my supposition is far more likely.

Actually I'm not. I'm saying I don't know their employment status one way or the other. I haven't seen any hard data to draw that conclusion on. To decide that they are mostly unemployed unless you've seen actual hard data to support it is speculation. If you've seen hard proof to support your claim, I'd like to see it. I actually dislike the rioters and I'd like to point out they are are low-life losers, but I don't make claims against them unless I have seen proof. I'd feel dishonest in doing that without proof.

spat · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
That's not how the burden of proof works. The person making the claim needs to provide proof, it's not up to me to disprove your claim, it's up to you to prove your claim. You are (or were?) claiming they are largely unemployed ("The difference is that the people who showed up in Albany to protest SAFE have jobs. Many of the BLM protesters do not.") If it's something obvious such as, "General Motors is trying to make money", it should be easy to do so, but the burden is still yours to back up your claim.

Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Holder of the burden
When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo. This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence."

Honestly I wasn't expecting to get much push back on this. It seems like common sense. There are a million things we all just take as "that sounds right" every day without wasting time looking for proof. Many of them would be hard to find hard evidence for, just because it's not tracked anywhere.

I suspect that most of the protestors won't be voting for Trump in November. But I don't have statistics to back that up either. If you want to figure out if I'm right or wrong on that point, it's up to you. I'm just going to proceed based on the assumption that they aren't.

Defilade · Sep 18, 2020

SonOfSun said:
Why do you think there is a conspiracy to fund them? Let me ask you this.... When there is a pro 2A rally in Albany etc. who funded them? Typically the participants are willing to fund necessary expenses on their own accord. When there is a pro 2a rally in Albany, it's not some plot by underground militias to fund the people there... The citizens arrange to be there on their own because they believe in their cause. It's like this pretty much all the time. Just because you don't like their message doesn't mean it's some hidden funded plot.

You were saying??

George Soros Donates $220 Million to Radical BLM Groups Including Movement to "End Policing as We Know It" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

The Soros Foundation announced $220 million donations to BLM and black-led justice organizations building power in black communities across the country.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

spat · Sep 18, 2020

Defilade said:
You were saying??

George Soros Donates $220 Million to Radical BLM Groups Including Movement to "End Policing as We Know It" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

The Soros Foundation announced $220 million donations to BLM and black-led justice organizations building power in black communities across the country.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

How this isn't "foreign interference in US elections" boggles my mind.

The left whine about Putin while the ChiComs and Soros flood the US with cash and have bought and paid for hundreds of elected officials.

SonOfSun · Sep 18, 2020

Defilade said:
You were saying??

George Soros Donates $220 Million to Radical BLM Groups Including Movement to "End Policing as We Know It" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

The Soros Foundation announced $220 million donations to BLM and black-led justice organizations building power in black communities across the country.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Thanks. That's pretty solid proof that they are providing support in some way.

Open Society Pledges $220 Million for Building Black Power in the U.S.

To support to the historic movement for racial justice that has swept across the United States, Open Society will make a bold investment in the emerging and established organizations and leaders who are doing the essential work necessary to fight racism and strengthen multiracial democracy.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

The way they are supporting them is pretty vague outside of money being used to "build power in black communities", whatever that means.

Still that doesn't mean they are passing out Molotovs and bricks, but based on your link and mine above they definitely are supporting their cause.

Who Funds the Antifa/Black Bloc/BLM Maoist Cabal?

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