Teen charged with weapons possession in Magnet School lockdown
Buffalo Police Captain Jeff Rinaldo said a gun was found that looked exactly like a Glock 9 millimeter, but turned out to be a BB gun.
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Buffalo Student Charged After Bringing BB Gun to School
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Good.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
i took a 12ga shot gun on the bus to school once to make a new stock for it in wood shop class and i was about the same age .. nothing happened ..
made a new stock with the shop teachers help .. and rode the bus back home with it ..
made a new stock with the shop teachers help .. and rode the bus back home with it ..
What year was that and how many schools shootings were going on?
In that year, how many children were killed?
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
mid 70 's ..
Yep, very different times.
Very different Nation and very different people.
I am glad the Police were able to get involved and take control of the incident.
Maybe it was an innocent situation this kid got in, maybe it was more.
96coal449
.308 Win
FIFY
Most positively the case. Dumb kids being dumb.
The lost sad point to this story is, where did the parental upbringing go wrong?
Dunedain Ranger
.40 S&W
Wow, thats crazy to me, lol. I must be a bit younger than you, as i was born in the mid 70s, but the thought of bringing a shotgun to school, to work on at wood shop class, is wild to me. Dont get me wrong, i think its great, and i truly wish we still lived in a world where that was the norm.
Its like when i hear older friends tell me they used to smoke cigarettes on airplanes, or in Mcdonalds. The best was a buddy told me he remembers smoking in the hospital years ago, lmao. I am for sure the youngest out of all my friends. The most i remember is there used to be a smoking section in some restaurants, def no shotguns in school though.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, maybe instead of doing more of the same and things getting worse, we should go back to doing things the way we did before the problem started ?
"Doctor, I've felt sick ever since I started this new diet"
"Have you tried *not* consuming 2000 calories of concentrated leftism every day ?"
I just retired in May, was working the last few year at a high school that had a 6 lane shooting range in the basement I think it was the mid 80's when they did away with the shooti g team.
Dunedain Ranger
.40 S&W
Amazing, and cool. I have to say it also seems very foreign to me too because i grew up in one of the city boroughs. There were definitely no shooting ranges, old or new, EVER in any of the schools i went to. Forget about bringing a shotgun for wood class, no way.
The best though was that my Father is a retired wood shop teacher. Looking back, i might have been able to get away with it, if i brought it to his school in Jersey, but still would have had to hide it from the masses.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
"Buffalo Police officers noted it is illegal for anyone under 16 years old to have a BB gun."
Curious what if he was in fact 16?
In the interview they said every student was searched? When does a report allow for physically searching every kid in a school only to find the gun stashed behind a filing cabinet.
Curious what if he was in fact 16?
In the interview they said every student was searched? When does a report allow for physically searching every kid in a school only to find the gun stashed behind a filing cabinet.
Since when can police not conduct an investigation into a deadly weapon in a school?
*Police show up: "anyone have a gun?"
*Gunman: "nope, no guns here"
*Police: "oh ok, have a good day"
96coal449
.308 Win
The problem is propaganda. It has been around for decades, and decades.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It's been around a lot longer than that. Probably longer than writing.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They can investigate all they want.Since when can police not conduct an investigation into a deadly weapon in a school?
*Police show up: "anyone have a gun?"
*Gunman: "nope, no guns here"
*Police: "oh ok, have a good day"
But only using constitutionally acceptable techniques.
"I can't do my job if I can't just search everyone willy nilly".
Then I guess your job doesn't get done until someone figures out how.
You guys seem to have forgotten something that every other profession has to deal with. If you can't do your job without breaking the law, then you just don't do the job.
No laws broken. Legal search. You not liking it does not mean it’s unlawful.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Unreasonable search is unreasonable.
I suggest you search students rights in school, some informative reading.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They also can't just search everyone in town because *someone* has the gun.
repete
.338 Win Mag
The level of some people's stupidity is astounding! I'd put him on ignore but I find amusing.
Deplorable Me
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What the kid did was stupid and wrong in the eyes of the law. I always like to consider "criminal intent" when I hear stories like this. Was he a gang banger intent on violence or a kid afraid of gang violence and he armed up?
Dunedain Ranger
.40 S&W
If he was 16, i dont think that would matter at all. The issue is the BB gun, or as i am sure all the faculty said GUN, was in school. That is the problem. I am not saying if its right or wrong, but i do know that ANYTHING having to do with a gun is a no go in schools nowadays.
It has gotten to the point of hysterics now though, and way too absurd. For example, my son is in elementary school, and my daughter is in middle. Both of their schools, especially in the elementary, will not even allow a student to make the gun symbol with their fingers. Yep, you read that correctly. If a kid is playing during recess and goes BANG and points a "gun" using his index finger and thumb in the "gun" shape that every one of us did a million times when we were kids, that kid will be taken, spoken too, advised never to do that again, and parents called. If it persists, it could lead to suspension.
Thats how far "guns" are demonized in school, and started at a young age. Just by making the gun shape with your fingers can get you in trouble now. Btw, my kids are not in NYC schools either, its a suburb of New Jersey.
Last time I was in a school I was armed and even though I was allowed to be, it was still an almost awkward feeling. There is such a stigma associated with that. The looks I was getting from some of the parents didn’t help much either.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Because they're hypocritical sheep.
Guarantee they have no problems with men with guns used to protect politicians, dignitaries and banks.
Their supposedly treasured little spawns somehow don't warrant the same level of protection.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
How many kids did they search ?
How many had a gun ?
"probable cause" means that they will "probably" find what they are looking for.
How many searches did they conduct before they found it ?
As I posted earlier do your own research, but I guess not!!
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Permitted School Searches
No justification for a search is required under the Fourth Amendment unless the person subject to the search has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the item being searched.[14] Even when an item is issued to a student for her use, if the item belongs to the school, then the student has no expectation of privacy in the use of that item. For example, school lockers are generally considered school property, and the student has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the locker, a fact which the Court recognized in the T.L.O. case.[15] However, at least sixteen states provide greater privacy protection of student lockers than required by the Supreme Court.[16]
The Supreme Court has treated general searches of the entire school population more leniently than individualized searches. While a search of a particular student requires a reasonable suspicion justifying the search, the Court has allowed drug-testing without suspicion when that testing is given to all students who choose to participate in a non-mandatory activity, such as playing football on the school team. Thus, a requirement of a urine test before participating in school sports is permissible.[17] The Court also found that it was permissible to require all students who wanted to participate in extracurricular activities, such as choir or academic quiz competition, to take a urine test for drugs.[18] In both of these decisions, the schools did not have any particular suspicion of any individual student, but all students who chose to participate in the activity were subject to the search. The Court placed significant weight on the fact that the students chose to participate in these extracurricular activities and that these activities were not mandatory. If a student did not want to undergo a urine test, the student could forego these extracurricular activities.
Finally, some very general searches are considered so non-intrusive as not to require any particular suspicion to be reasonable. These are called “administrative searches.” To qualify as an administrative search, the procedure must be directed at a general danger (such as keeping weapons out of school) and be non-intrusive. [19] Though the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the administrative search doctrine’s application to schools, it appears that courts would uphold usage of metal detectors and security cameras as acceptable forms of administrative search.[20]
Student Rights While in School
Of all the rights to access to education, the rights of students with disabilities likely has the greatest day-to-day impact on public schools. Various federal statutes create obligations for school systems to provide educational services to students facing physical, emotional, intellectual...
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Permitted School Searches
No justification for a search is required under the Fourth Amendment unless the person subject to the search has a reasonable expectation of privacy in the item being searched.[14] Even when an item is issued to a student for her use, if the item belongs to the school, then the student has no expectation of privacy in the use of that item. For example, school lockers are generally considered school property, and the student has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the locker, a fact which the Court recognized in the T.L.O. case.[15] However, at least sixteen states provide greater privacy protection of student lockers than required by the Supreme Court.[16]
The Supreme Court has treated general searches of the entire school population more leniently than individualized searches. While a search of a particular student requires a reasonable suspicion justifying the search, the Court has allowed drug-testing without suspicion when that testing is given to all students who choose to participate in a non-mandatory activity, such as playing football on the school team. Thus, a requirement of a urine test before participating in school sports is permissible.[17] The Court also found that it was permissible to require all students who wanted to participate in extracurricular activities, such as choir or academic quiz competition, to take a urine test for drugs.[18] In both of these decisions, the schools did not have any particular suspicion of any individual student, but all students who chose to participate in the activity were subject to the search. The Court placed significant weight on the fact that the students chose to participate in these extracurricular activities and that these activities were not mandatory. If a student did not want to undergo a urine test, the student could forego these extracurricular activities.
Finally, some very general searches are considered so non-intrusive as not to require any particular suspicion to be reasonable. These are called “administrative searches.” To qualify as an administrative search, the procedure must be directed at a general danger (such as keeping weapons out of school) and be non-intrusive. [19] Though the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the administrative search doctrine’s application to schools, it appears that courts would uphold usage of metal detectors and security cameras as acceptable forms of administrative search.[20]