CRS Firearms Found Guilty for YouTube Videos! 45 Years Maximum. .. The Auto Key Card Novelty item

GOYABEAN · Apr 23, 2023

We're living in the twilight zone :idk:

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Cavalry · Apr 23, 2023

I didn't follow the trial, but it seemed like a really, really, weak case. Pretty amazing it went down like this.
Wasn't Matt Larosiere his attorney? He always seems like hes on top of his game, maybe not I suppose.

I dont understand at all how CRS got jammed up for this. He advertised for the other guy and then fund raised for him. Even if he had one that worked in his possession who cares, he had his SOT. Pissed in the wrong bowl of Wheaties.

Deplorable Me · Apr 23, 2023

How difficult is it to use a laser printer to etch sheetmetal? Seems any kid with basic shop class instruction could produce one. Wait a minute, shop class was canceled for a special presentation by the drag queens.

The alternate is the Office Depot rubber band variant.

It comes down to criminal intent. Lately the government has been more criminal.

ManualF150 · Apr 23, 2023

Deplorable Me said:
How difficult is it to use a laser printer to etch sheetmetal? Seems any kid with basic shop class instruction could produce one. Wait a minute, shop class was canceled for a special presentation by the drag queens.

The alternate is the Office Depot rubber band variant.

It comes down to criminal intent. Lately the government has been more criminal.

That is because we are being put into a police state.

tirwin1 · Apr 23, 2023

ManualF150 said:
That is because we are being put into a police state.

Or, as others have noted, we are already in one.

Truebeliever · Apr 23, 2023

Cavalry said:
I didn't follow the trial, but it seemed like a really, really, weak case. Pretty amazing it went down like this.
Wasn't Matt Larosiere his attorney? He always seems like hes on top of his game, maybe not I suppose.

I dont understand at all how CRS got jammed up for this. He advertised for the other guy and then fund raised for him. Even if he had one that worked in his possession who cares, he had his SOT. Pissed in the wrong bowl of Wheaties.

He went down because he sold them or aided in a sale of a product with the intent of distributing or helping create an illegal product. Similar to buying cold medicine to be made into crystal meth.
The difference between selling one of the key cards and an 80% lower is that the 80% lower is to be made into a legal product.
And I could be incorrect, but I believe one needs a “tax stamp” for each NFA item and that as an individual can not create a new full auto weapon since 1986 ( new —-meaning with parts made after FOPA was enacted) and assist the sale of such to non government licensed people

Zerex · Apr 23, 2023

An Ar-15 bolt carrier is necessary for the lightning link to work..not an M-16 bolt carrier.
Safe or full auto.

The early 1980's drop in auto sear, required a full house M-16 kit.

The quick reset trigger is in the same red zone.

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Uninformed and Compliant · Apr 23, 2023

Cavalry · Apr 23, 2023

Truebeliever said:
He went down because he sold them or aided in a sale of a product with the intent of distributing or helping create an illegal product. Similar to buying cold medicine to be made into crystal meth.
The difference between selling one of the key cards and an 80% lower is that the 80% lower is to be made into a legal product.
And I could be incorrect, but I believe one needs a “tax stamp” for each NFA item and that as an individual can not create a new full auto weapon since 1986 ( new —-meaning with parts made after FOPA was enacted) and assist the sale of such to non government licensed people

I understand where you are going with this but it was essentially a picture on a piece of metal. No machining was completed. Where is the line? If I sold avery labels with a scale link printed on them and a separate piece of metal, is that the line? What if I send you a PDF copy of the link pattern? What if I hold a paid seminar and have a very detailed presentation on how to make NFA items with basic hand tools?
As a SOT, CRS could manufacture NFA items. Post sample MGs can be made, with no tax paid by the manufacturer. The intent has to be they are truly for sale to a government entity and not just a means to have a bad ass collection.

Truebeliever · Apr 23, 2023

Cavalry said:
I understand where you are going with this but it was essentially a picture on a piece of metal. No machining was completed. Where is the line? If I sold avery labels with a scale link printed on them and a separate piece of metal, is that the line? What if I send you a PDF copy of the link pattern? What if I hold a paid seminar and have a very detailed presentation on how to make NFA items with basic hand tools?
As a SOT, CRS could manufacture NFA items. Post sample MGs can be made, with no tax paid by the manufacturer. The intent has to be they are truly for sale to a government entity and not just a means to have a bad ass collection.

I don’t think he was charged with making but facilitating.

Grimscale · Apr 24, 2023

Cavalry said:
I understand where you are going with this but it was essentially a picture on a piece of metal. No machining was completed. Where is the line? If I sold avery labels with a scale link printed on them and a separate piece of metal, is that the line? What if I send you a PDF copy of the link pattern? What if I hold a paid seminar and have a very detailed presentation on how to make NFA items with basic hand tools?

Maybe they should tart a line of T-shirts with it printed on them.

Anyone remember the DeCSS debacle back in 2000?

"ZDNet reports that Copyleft has been added to the DeCSS lawsuit for printing t-shirts with the DeCSS code. The whole anti-DeCSS crusade has been legally shaky from the beginning, and IMHO this has passed into the ridiculous. I think the EFF attorney's comment sums it up nicely:"To enjoin the T-shirts as a circumvention device is ludicrous." Whether or not you believe that code is free speech, it's worth noting that this lawsuit takes a further step than even the US government were willing to take in their treatment of encryption technology as munitions. At worst, the code is just instructions for performing an act that could possibly illegal, but if that's the standard, I guess that copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook I have on my bookshelf would have to be illegal, too. What do you think?"

Cooolone · Apr 24, 2023

Well, maybe because he was profiting from his actions? Opposed to the original 3D print thing... Just put the information out there and let it flow! 1st and 2nd be damned!!!

As it is, the information IS now out there and as noted, anyone with a decent 3D printer can make these in the privacy of their own home! Lmfao!

Make a plastic 3D versions, use to make a mold, pour some hot molten Aluminum and whoola! Or use it as a template for a harder metal cut, shaped and polished by hand!

But if you're going to initiate a commercial enterprise engaged in the sale and distribution of such, watch out man, Big Brother IS looking and WILL stomp on the little ant that you are!

SonOfSun · Apr 25, 2023

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B-O-X
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Woooooo

Cavalry · Apr 25, 2023

Cooolone said:
Well, maybe because he was profiting from his actions? Opposed to the original 3D print thing... Just put the information out there and let it flow! 1st and 2nd be damned!!!

As it is, the information IS now out there and as noted, anyone with a decent 3D printer can make these in the privacy of their own home! Lmfao!

Make a plastic 3D versions, use to make a mold, pour some hot molten Aluminum and whoola! Or use it as a template for a harder metal cut, shaped and polished by hand!

But if you're going to initiate a commercial enterprise engaged in the sale and distribution of such, watch out man, Big Brother IS looking and WILL stomp on the little ant that you are!

Well yes and no. If we are talking about AR's the plastic version relies on a thin section to flex as the bolt reciprocates. A cast version would not work. This is why the stamped steel version like the auto key card are two pieces, its a pivot.

GOYABEAN · Sep 7, 2023

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