NY AG James tells hospitals to continue transgender care after Trump’s executive order

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New York, NY (WBEN/AP) - New York Attorney General Letitia James on Monday told hospitals they would be violating state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump aimed at curtailing federal funding for such treatments.

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James tells hospitals to continue transgender care after Trump’s executive order

New York AG Letitia James told hospitals Monday they would violate state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump. Read more here:
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Strong Memorial Hospital in Rochester seems to be New York’s epicenter of sex change for children.
According to data compiled by Stop the Harm, Strong has had more pediatric sex-change patients than any other hospital in the state, has prescribed puberty blockers to more children than any other New York hospital, and has performed the third-highest number of sex-change operations on children.
Strong, which also operates in part under the name Golisano Children’s Hospital, has had 229 children as sex-change patients. For context, New York University and Mount Sinai – both in New York City – have had 150 and 116, respectively. While those two hospitals have, also respectively, performed the first and second highest number of sex-change operations on children, Strong has surgically altered 52 children.

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18 year olds are adults. Trump has no business telling people who are of the age of consent what they can and cannot do with their bodies. That is an overstep by your government.

If this were more explicitly aimed at children, I could see that. I'd like to know about what that entails and what the long term life satisfaction rates are for children that transition. That's the data that is crucial to determine whether it is "maiming" anyone.

Still, even if it wasn't maiming them and satisfaction were high, does that NOT mean that people under 18 or 17 can give consent? You can't say the age of consent is over ones body is 18 and then allow them to do things that would require their explicit consent as an individual to make a life altering choice.

Overall I'm in support of blocking this as James has done since it overlaps with people who can give consent, which is federal overreach. If it were more targeted we have a discussion.
 
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Bigfoot said:
New York, NY (WBEN/AP) - New York Attorney General Letitia James on Monday told hospitals they would be violating state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump aimed at curtailing federal funding for such treatments.

www.audacy.com

James tells hospitals to continue transgender care after Trump’s executive order

New York AG Letitia James told hospitals Monday they would violate state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump. Read more here:
www.audacy.com www.audacy.com
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The solution for this is just one court ruling that holds the doctors liable for malpractice once someone detransitions.

How much would a jury award for getting your dick and balls cut off because a doctor screwed up ?

None of these guys would ever be able to afford malpractice insurance again after that.
 
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The solution for this is just one court ruling that holds the doctors liable for malpractice once someone detransitions.

How much would a jury award for getting your dick and balls cut off because a doctor screwed up ?

None of these guys would ever be able to afford malpractice insurance again after that.
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So you're saying you would like to use lawsuits to control what other people do their bodies willingly? If someone is informed via informed consent you can't turn around and blame the doctor. Their job is to inform the person and make sure each step of the way they want to continue.

Bringing unnecessary malpractices suits will only make it so no doctor will ever help someone transition, and that violates the rights of trans people.
 
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So you're saying you would like to use lawsuits to control what other people do their bodies willingly? If someone is informed via informed consent you can't turn around and blame the doctor. Their job is to inform the person and make sure each step of the way they want to continue.

Bringing unnecessary malpractices suits will only make it so no doctor will ever help someone transition, and that violates the rights of trans people.
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I am saying that these young kids that are being mutilated *aren't* receiving informed consent.

Neither are their parents.

When the doctor ia telling the parents "we need to cut her tits off or she'll commit suicide" then that is absolutely malpractice.

Read the statements of any of the detransitioners. The "medical professionals" basically made the surgery a foregone conclusion the minute the kid said anything slightly outside the traditional gender roles.

Girl is a tomboy ? Off with her tits.
Boy sits down when he pees ? That dick needs to go.

And that is 100% malpractice of the worst kind.

It would be like a doctor who does an amputation for every minor wound. "Sprained your wrist ? that arm's going to need to come off..."
 
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I am saying that these young kids that are being mutilated *aren't* receiving informed consent.

Neither are their parents.

When the doctor ia telling the parents "we need to cut her tits off or she'll commit suicide" then that is absolutely malpractice.

Read the statements of any of the detransitioners. The "medical professionals" basically made the surgery a foregone conclusion the minute the kid said anything slightly outside the traditional gender roles.

Girl is a tomboy ? Off with her tits.
Boy sits down when he pees ? That dick needs to go.

And that is 100% malpractice of the worst kind.

It would be like a doctor who does an amputation for every minor wound. "Sprained your wrist ? that arm's going to need to come off..."
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If these sorts of situations are happening in the way you describe, and it isn't done with informed consent, then I'd agree.

The thing is it's not how you act, nor your interests that determine your internal gender. If a doctor was looking solely at that then that is incorrect to go about it that way.

There is a book which is drastically better than the show they made out of it called Altered Carbon. There is one particular quote which is more along the lines of the experience trans people face than anything outward people on here would criticize. Because it's an internal feeling of unease for them, not an outward change of interests speech.

Out of the corner of my eye, I saw her look down at the body she was wearing, as if she'd spilled something down herself. "Do you know how I feel?" she asked.
"No."
"I slept with my husband, and I feel like he's been unfaithful to me." A choked laugh. She smeared angrily at her eyes. "I feel like I've been unfaithful. To something." ... -- Richard K Morgan, Altered Carbon
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It's how you think about yourself. How you see yourself, which then in turn triggers how you react and modify your behavior in relation to your feelings but also social stigma. That's why understanding how they view themselves is paramount in these situations and consent is so important. It comes from inside not outside.
 
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Grimscale said:
I studied biology for 5 years.
WTF is "internal gender"? Is that like a cloaca or something?



So, a mental aberration.


Again, a mental aberration.

These people need help. Not mutilation.

And mutilating someone underage? That should come with VERY severe consequences!
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The thing with children is a whole different issue and I'm mostly in agreement with you.

Outside of children I don't see any mental issues other than the obsession preoccupation what generalia from critics that seem obsessed with it.
 
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Bigfoot said:
New York, NY (WBEN/AP) - New York Attorney General Letitia James on Monday told hospitals they would be violating state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump aimed at curtailing federal funding for such treatments.

www.audacy.com

James tells hospitals to continue transgender care after Trump’s executive order

New York AG Letitia James told hospitals Monday they would violate state law if they stop offering gender-affirming care for people under age 19. This comes in response to an executive order from President Donald Trump. Read more here:
www.audacy.com www.audacy.com
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Since our Westchester county executive, Lattimer, is now our House representative, we have a special election for county executive next week.

I just got a robo-call from Jumbo James letting me know that this is "...our chance to vote for the first black Westchester county executive." Right out of the gate: No name, no qualifications, just pure racial identification.

Oh, BTW, as a newly registered Democrat (who changed party just to vote against Jamal Alarm-Puller Bowman in the primary) I will be voting in this special election...for whoever James opposes.
 
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Phazer said:
Since our Westchester county executive, Lattimer, is now our House representative, we have a special election for county executive next week.

I just got a robo-call from Jumbo James letting me know that this is "...our chance to vote for the first black Westchester county executive." Right out of the gate: No name, no qualifications, just pure racial identification.

Oh, BTW, as a newly registered Democrat (who changed party just to vote against Jamal Alarm-Puller Bowman in the primary) I will be voting in this special election...for whoever James opposes.
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I wouldn't say whomever she opposes. Use the chance to steer the party in the direction you want it to go, back to center and back to personal freedoms.
 
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libertysnake said:
So you're saying you would like to use lawsuits to control what other people do their bodies willingly? If someone is informed via informed consent you can't turn around and blame the doctor. Their job is to inform the person and make sure each step of the way they want to continue.

Bringing unnecessary malpractices suits will only make it so no doctor will ever help someone transition, and that violates the rights of trans people.
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Seriously...where the hell is this drivel coming from?

"...violates the rights of trans people." o_O:banghead:

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libertysnake said:
The thing with children is a whole different issue and I'm mostly in agreement with you.

Outside of children I don't see any mental issues other than the obsession preoccupation what generalia from critics that seem obsessed with it.
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If I told my doctor I feel like a pirate and ask him to cut off my leg and hand and replace them with a peg leg and a hook, he should recognize that I am obviously not a caricature of a pirate and refer me to mental help.

If I tell my doctor I deep down feel like I'm Superman, he shouldn't walk me up to the roof, tie a cape around my neck and encourage me to go for it.

Same with the "gender dysphoria" nonsense . Instead of maiming their patients for money, leaving them with festering wounds for genitalia, these "doctors" should be referring their patients for mental help and counseling to help them accept who they are. There's not much profit in that though.

Developing a for-profit industry to cater to the delusions of people with mental disorders will go down in history as one of the most evil things done by mankind.
 
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And it is a mental illness.
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Wrong.

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If I told my doctor I feel like a pirate and ask him to cut off my leg and hand and replace them with a peg leg and a hook, he should recognize that I am obviously not a caricature of a pirate and refer me to mental help.

If I tell my doctor I deep down feel like I'm Superman, he shouldn't walk me up to the roof, tie a cape around my neck and encourage me to go for it.

Same with the "gender dysphoria" nonsense . Instead of maiming their patients for money, leaving them with festering wounds for genitalia, these "doctors" should be referring their patients for mental help and counseling to help them accept who thotey are. There's not much profit in that though.

Developing a for-profit industry to cater to the delusions of people with mental disorders will go down in history as one of the most evil things done by mankind.
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1. A pirate is a profession, and has nothing to do with gender. You also don't need to get your leg cut off to be a pirate. Just ask Somalia.
2. Superman is a fictional character not a gender so not even remotely equivalent. Trans people aren't trying to be another person, they're just trying to align their external appearance with their internal feelings.
3. It's not maiming people who willingly want to do this to themselves. Also, not all trans people get every single surgery for various reasons. You're telling me lip injections aren't a crime? Have you seen some of the shitty work done in Hollywood?


My stance is as long as someone isn't hurting another person, they can do whatever they want to their body. It's not my business, and it shouldn't be the business of anyone on this forum either. We should be focused on maximizing personal liberty, not restricting what drugs someone can put in their bodies or what procedures people can do to themselves.

While it might make some people here uncomfortable, we can't be fair weather patriots when liberty is convenient for us and then cast it aside when it's not.
 
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libertysnake said:
Wrong.




1. A pirate is a profession, and has nothing to do with gender. You also don't need to get your leg cut off to be a pirate. Just ask Somalia.
2. Superman is a fictional character not a gender so not even remotely equivalent. Trans people aren't trying to be another person, they're just trying to align their external appearance with their internal feelings.
3. It's not maiming people who willingly want to do this to themselves. Also, not all trans people get every single surgery for various reasons. You're telling me lip injections aren't a crime? Have you seen some of the shitty work done in Hollywood?


My stance is as long as someone is hurting another person, they can do whatever they want to their body. It's not my business, and it shouldn't be the business of anyone on this forum either. We should be focused on maximizing personal liberty, not restricting what drugs someone can put in their bodies or what procedures people can do to themselves.

While it might make some people here uncomfortable, we can't be fair weather patriots when liberty is convenient for us and then cast it aside when it's not.
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A man's delusional vision of himself as a female is a fictional character as well, and vice versa.

Look into some of the information coming out from people who are trying to detransition, and it will open your eyes to the financial motivation of the surgeries and the doctors performing them.

Regardless of that, I don't believe taxpayers should be paying the bill for any kind of cosmetic surgery, especially when it applies to people with mental illness or incapable of making rational choices.
 
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kev74 said:
A man's delusional vision of himself as a female is a fictional character as well, and vice versa.

Look into some of the information coming out from people who are trying to detransition, and it will open your eyes to the financial motivation of the surgeries and the doctors performing them.

Regardless of that, I don't believe taxpayers should be paying the bill for any kind of cosmetic surgery, especially when it applies to people with mental illness or incapable of making rational choices.
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Disagree it's a mental illness. Agree it shouldn't come from taxpayers directly.

But if you have insurance, private or the VA, then I'm ok with that. Either you paid for it with money, or with your blood. But you've paid your part -- time for insurance to pay up.

As for transitioning, and if someone regrets that, maybe the person should've spoken to someone who deals with transitioning people first and had a better discussion in advance. Normally people start small with voice training and hormones, and move onto surgeries later if they feel the same in a year or two, or longer.

I know someone who I don't think she 's had any surgeries at all actually. Just hormone therapy -- and she only started that years after presenting as female in public. So not everyone is jumping into surgeries.
 
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